Old Earth Creationism

[GenemZ]

Thanks for your response.
One of my biggest things though is how can we possibly fit everything that we know that happened prior to Adam and Eve in 6 days?

Where do you fit Satan job's of protecting the mercy seat and his pride taking over? And these verses in Job?

Job 38:6 "Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;"

Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for Joy?" This tells us this what was happening when the foundations of the earth were first laid and fastened.


If you take this literallly that the Lord made both heaven and the earth in 6 days period instead of just this "age" that would entail Satan's pride and downfall as well. We know God made him the full pattern, full of beauty, etc and his job was to protect the mercy seat. Pride took over. All of this happened prior to Adam and Eve. We know he's already an enemy of God before the garden of Eden. He was perfect in all his ways God says until iniquity set in. But by saying everything was created in 6 days, both the heavens and the earth (with nothing before) you're basically saying this also happened within the 6 day period. How could he even have time to be perfect in all his ways and protect, then fall in that time period?

God created the prehistoric worlds to be all the proving grounds for angels.

Just like our world is to be our proving ground.

Some believers are human-centric, and think God created man as the only important being in His creation. That angels are just incidental, and have no rich history of their own.

 

[coffee4u]

If that were true? Where are all those men bones fossils? After all, God was judging Noah's world because of what man was doing.

Where are all whose bone fossils?

If this was walking around in Noah's day?

Yes, but not that caricature. That picture is from a modern persons imagination, it's Jurassic Park movie rubbish.

God created all land animals on day 5. He gave them plants for food just as he did Adam and Eve.
30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
They all ate plants, they were all tame, every last one of them including every dangerous animal that you can think of.
When God said
Genesis 1:31
God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
It was because it was, by God's standards very good. He didn't look out and say it is very good and watch one creature pounce and tear into the living flesh of another and scatter its bones while nodding and calling it very good. No, this was a level of goodness that we can only imagine. It did not include death, decay or disease.

Mankind fell and the entire world fell with them.
6 To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”


17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”

Things that had worked for good corrupted and now began to work for harm, creatures that ate plants turned to eating each other. Death was now a part of life.

By the time of the flood the earth was full of wickedness and God judged them with a flood. The protective element around the earth mostly came down as rain, ash filled the sky from the fountains of the deep errupting. It was a desolate place with sparse green food.
Into this world Noah and his family and his family came off the ark. Because of the conditions,which would cause an ice age, God gave mankind meat.
Genesis 9:3
Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
God put fear into the previously unafraid animals
2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands

As for reptiles, even ones that modern man likes to call 'dinosaurs' (they weren't called dinosaurs) they came off the ark like every other creature. God sent them on board and God would have sent them off.

This isn't a Jarasic park movie with huge red eyed overly smart meat eating dinosaurs running around looking to devour men. They are animals. All animals can be hunted and all animals can be scared. Fire universally scares all animals.

Who did and didn't eat meat is an assumption. Looking at a creatures teeth does not guarantee that something eats meat. The fruit bat eats fruit, it has sharp, incisor (front) teeth.

The Jamaican Fruit Bat is a herbivore.
Lucky for this little guy he is still alive- which means observable to prove his fruit eating ways. If he was extinct you can be sure people would assume he was a meat eater due to his fearsome teeth.

The TRex you have pictured has an overlarge and heavy head and tiny front legs, he would not have been running anywhere. It would have used too much energy for one and that heavy head would have split open like a melon had it tripped. Far more likely it was a scavenger.

Secondly any 'dinosaur' coming off the ark was young. You think God would have sent extremely large old ones? The creature pictured by a moderns man imagination? No they had to be young to repopulate the earth and young also means small. Some creatures grow their entire lives, those huge dinosaurs are one of them. They where huge because they were old. Dinosaurs hatch out of eggs, the same way crocodiles do, they begin their life as tiny and pretty helpless as do all young.
The fact that God had just told man he could now eat meat and all these egg laying animals were nearby probably meant they raided all their nests.
If you were dropped into a harsh cold world and were new to hunting and needed protein, what would you pick to eat? Eggs. If you continually raid nests and eat the eggs the population would go down. Add to that that any of the meat eating youngsters would have been top of the hit list. Why did 'dinosaurs' go extinct? Mankind hunted them to extinction.

Some survived for many years, but obviously they were rare. They were known around the world as dragons. The reason there are dragon tales across the world stems from real dinosaurs that men saw and fought. St George and the Dragon? Based on a dinosaur.

Job talked to God about one of them in Job 40.
Job 40:15-24


15 “Look at Behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox

And the sea monster in Job 41.

41 Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook
or tie down its tongue with a rope?

If you see a very dangerous spider most peoples reaction is to kill it and to kill all the young. It would have been no different to how they treated any dangerous dinosaur. Unlike spiders that are small enough to hide and who have hundreds of spiderlings at once dinosaurs would have laid a clutch of visible eggs that were both good food but also stopped them repopulating in any kind of large numbers.
Why are they not here now? Simple, mankind hunted them to extinction. No animal, not even the fiercest animal is a match for mankind in an organized group with weapons.
The deadliest creature on earth is man.

It would have been mentioned all over early Genesis!

Animals and man were not meat eaters before the flood!

Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the
whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be
yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the
sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that
has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was
so. Gen 1:29-30​

That means those fierce dinosaurs had to be on earth after the flood if they were of our created world!


.............

Now it sounds like you are trying to convince me of my own point of view.

What would have been mentioned all over Genesis?

Of course they were in the world, they came off the ark as young adults, still without the fear of man at that point. As would tigers, crocodiles and other dangerous animals. This wasn't a natural event run by people, it was supernatural and directed by God. God told Noah how to build the ark, God called the animals, shut the door, made sure it landed and opened the door, you think he wouldn't also direct the animals off?

And we all know that man and animals did not eat meat until after the flood,
no creationist claims they were.

 

[coffee4u]

Thanks for your response.
One of my biggest things though is how can we possibly fit everything that we know that happened prior to Adam and Eve in 6 days?

Where do you fit Satan job's of protecting the mercy seat and his pride taking over? And these verses in Job?

Job 38:6 "Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;"

Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for Joy?" This tells us this what was happening when the foundations of the earth were first laid and fastened.


If you take this literallly that the Lord made both heaven and the earth in 6 days period instead of just this "age" that would entail Satan's pride and downfall as well. We know God made him the full pattern, full of beauty, etc and his job was to protect the mercy seat. Pride took over. All of this happened prior to Adam and Eve. We know he's already an enemy of God before the garden of Eden. He was perfect in all his ways God says until iniquity set in. But by saying everything was created in 6 days, both the heavens and the earth (with nothing before) you're basically saying this also happened within the 6 day period. How could he even have time to be perfect in all his ways and protect, then fall in that time period?

I will be back later if I am well, unfortunately have to go get my booster shot now. :/
Just so you know i have seen your post.

 

[GenemZ]

Where are all whose bone fossils?

If this was walking around in Noah's day?

Yes, but not that caricature. That picture is from a modern persons imagination, it's Jurassic Park movie rubbish.

God created all land animals on day 5. He gave them plants for food just as he did Adam and Eve.
30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
They all ate plants, they were all tame, every last one of them including every dangerous animal that you can think of.
When God said
Genesis 1:31
God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
It was because it was, by God's standards very good. He didn't look out and say it is very good and watch one creature pounce and tear into the living flesh of another and scatter its bones while nodding and calling it very good. No, this was a level of goodness that we can only imagine. It did not include death, decay or disease.

Mankind fell and the entire world fell with them.
6 To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”


17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”

Things that had worked for good corrupted and now began to work for harm, creatures that ate plants turned to eating each other. Death was now a part of life.

By the time of the flood the earth was full of wickedness and God judged them with a flood. The protective element around the earth mostly came down as rain, ash filled the sky from the fountains of the deep errupting. It was a desolate place with sparse green food.
Into this world Noah and his family and his family came off the ark. Because of the conditions,which would cause an ice age, God gave mankind meat.
Genesis 9:3
Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
God put fear into the previously unafraid animals
2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands

As for reptiles, even ones that modern man likes to call 'dinosaurs' (they weren't called dinosaurs) they came off the ark like every other creature. God sent them on board and God would have sent them off.

This isn't a Jarasic park movie with huge red eyed overly smart meat eating dinosaurs running around looking to devour men. They are animals. All animals can be hunted and all animals can be scared. Fire universally scares all animals.

Who did and didn't eat meat is an assumption. Looking at a creatures teeth does not guarantee that something eats meat. The fruit bat eats fruit, it has sharp, incisor (front) teeth.
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The Jamaican Fruit Bat is a herbivore.
Lucky for this little guy he is still alive- which means observable to prove his fruit eating ways. If he was extinct you can be sure people would assume he was a meat eater due to his fearsome teeth.

The TRex you have pictured has an overlarge and heavy head and tiny front legs, he would not have been running anywhere. It would have used too much energy for one and that heavy head would have split open like a melon had it tripped. Far more likely it was a scavenger.

Secondly any 'dinosaur' coming off the ark was young. You think God would have sent extremely large old ones? The creature pictured by a moderns man imagination? No they had to be young to repopulate the earth and young also means small. Some creatures grow their entire lives, those huge dinosaurs are one of them. They where huge because they were old. Dinosaurs hatch out of eggs, the same way crocodiles do, they begin their life as tiny and pretty helpless as do all young.
The fact that God had just told man he could now eat meat and all these egg laying animals were nearby probably meant they raided all their nests.
If you were dropped into a harsh cold world and were new to hunting and needed protein, what would you pick to eat? Eggs. If you continually raid nests and eat the eggs the population would go down. Add to that that any of the meat eating youngsters would have been top of the hit list. Why did 'dinosaurs' go extinct? Mankind hunted them to extinction.

Some survived for many years, but obviously they were rare. They were known around the world as dragons. The reason there are dragon tales across the world stems from real dinosaurs that men saw and fought. St George and the Dragon? Based on a dinosaur.

Job talked to God about one of them in Job 40.
Job 40:15-24


15 “Look at Behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox

And the sea monster in Job 41.

41 Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook
or tie down its tongue with a rope?

If you see a very dangerous spider most peoples reaction is to kill it and to kill all the young. It would have been no different to how they treated any dangerous dinosaur. Unlike spiders that are small enough to hide and who have hundreds of spiderlings at once dinosaurs would have laid a clutch of visible eggs that were both good food but also stopped them repopulating in any kind of large numbers.
Why are they not here now? Simple, mankind hunted them to extinction. No animal, not even the fiercest animal is a match for mankind in an organized group with weapons.
The deadliest creature on earth is man.




Now it sounds like you are trying to convince me of my own point of view.

What would have been mentioned all over Genesis?

Of course they were in the world, they came off the ark as young adults, still without the fear of man at that point. As would tigers, crocodiles and other dangerous animals. This wasn't a natural event run by people, it was supernatural and directed by God. God told Noah how to build the ark, God called the animals, shut the door, made sure it landed and opened the door, you think he wouldn't also direct the animals off?

And we all know that man and animals did not eat meat until after the flood,
no creationist claims they were.

A long winded fail...

 

[coffee4u]

In the beginning (before Day One!) God created the heavens and earth.

It's creation was outside of our sense of time that God created the Heavens and earth.

There was no Day One. That came later on. The Heavens and Earth were created (out from nothing) at some time not determined. It was created prehistorically. No Day One yet to give us time....

Can we please get the simple stuff straight? Taking license to have something mean what it does not say makes one wonder about the integrity of another's thinking. Integrity = holiness.

11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them
Exodus 20

 

[GenemZ]

11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them
Exodus 20

I will try again.

It does not say....

For in six days the Lord created the heavens and the earth, the
sea, and all that is in them. ​

Where it does say CREATED? Its only found in Genesis 1:1 as "bara.".

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.​

Also, it does not say!

In the beginning God MADE the heavens and the earth. ("asah")​

To the ancient Hebrew mind both words held entirely different modes for function. When we impose our cultural view upon what was written back then it can get messy and inaccurate.


And, there is something else you you have missed so far.

It was Elohim = plurality - that created the Heavens and earth.

Which was in contrast to: For six days the Lord Jehovah (no plurality) MADE.

For six days all things to be "made" were designed (made) by the Son (Lord Jehovah), as Elohim caused it all to come into effect.

Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made
that has been made." Jn 1:3
​

The Son of God made what is found in the first six days.

In contrast to the six days, the beginning" happened before any "day" took place!


Here is how it works...

You can make a cake. You do not create a cake. You make lunch. You do not create lunch.

Not unless you are I Dream of Jeannie and folded your arms to have a cake miraculously appear out from nowhere. That was the kind of creating we see in Genesis 1:2.

We today use the term "to create" in a different manner... Its used as to bring about something original. Like creating a "Pizza cake." Yet, what that "creation" will turn out to be? It was derived from things that had been already created.

No one can create like Elohim created the heavens and earth. Elohim (plurality) willed it into existence. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all had a hand in the creation of the heavens and earth.

Now... going to bollix that one up? (to try to make us forget what makes sense?)

 

[GenemZ]

11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them
Exodus 20

The water for the sea was already existing. The seas as we know them were not created in Genesis 1:1. For the entire planet was surrounded by one mass of water. No seas as of yet!

The land mass for the earth was already existing in substance only. It was covered by water. The earth as we now know it was not created as the earth was created in Genesis 1:1. The Lord made the waters to recede to make the land mass (earth). It had to be designed (made) to be that way.

 

[coffee4u]

I will try again.

It does not say....

For in six days the Lord created the heavens and the earth, the
sea, and all that is in them. ​

Where it does say CREATED? Its only found in Genesis 1:1 as "bara.".

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.​

Also, it does not say!

In the beginning God MADE the heavens and the earth. ("asah")​

To the ancient Hebrew mind both words held entirely different modes for function. When we impose our cultural view upon what was written back then it can get messy and inaccurate.


And, there is something else you you have missed so far.

It was Elohim = plurality - that created the Heavens and earth.

Which was in contrast to: For six days the Lord Jehovah (no plurality) MADE.

For six days all things to be "made" were designed (made) by the Son (Lord Jehovah), as Elohim caused it all to come into effect.

Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made
that has been made." Jn 1:3
​

The Son of God made what is found in the first six days.

In contrast to the six days, the beginning" happened before any "day" took place!


Here is how it works...

You can make a cake. You do not create a cake. You make lunch. You do not create lunch.

Not unless you are I Dream of Jeannie and folded your arms to have a cake miraculously appear out from nowhere. That was the kind of creating we see in Genesis 1:2.

We today use the term "to create" in a different manner... Its used as to bring about something original. Like creating a "Pizza cake." Yet, what that "creation" will turn out to be? It was derived from things that had been already created.

No one can create like Elohim created the heavens and earth. Elohim (plurality) willed it into existence. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all had a hand in the creation of the heavens and earth.

Now... going to bollix that one up? (to try to make us forget what makes sense?)

"You can make a cake. You do not create a cake. You make lunch. You do not create lunch."
I'm a human being as such I can't create anything.

We have already had this conversation. Bara and asah are used interchangeable across scripture and does not mean what you keep insisting they mean.
You do realize that continually saying the same thing does not change anything, right?

One of these days when I feel up to it (not directly after my vaccination with a headache thanks very much) I will revisit it, but for now I suggest you might want to go study it up some more.

 

[GenemZ]

We have already had this conversation. Bara and asah are used interchangeable across scripture and does not mean what you keep insisting they mean.
You do realize that continually saying the same thing does not change anything, right?

They may be used in conjunction with each other... But, not interchangeably.

Because, because when some things were to be created out from nothing [bara].. Before it was created it was first decided how they were to be made.

Look here!

Look carefully!

Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them. Gen 1:26-27​

First it was God deciding the 'design' for man. How God designed man to be. God was deciding how God was going to 'make' man to be! Then?

After it was decided how man would be? Then God 'created' out from nothing [bara].

God first made man in His image by His design plan. To be in His image. Then, God created man in His image, ex nihilio. "Out from nothing."

The words were not interchangeable. They can be related to each other in a process of creating something, but not meaning the same thing at all.

You do realize that continually saying the same thing does not change anything, right?

There would be no need to repeat if you would get it right.
You keep continually making the same error.

 

[coffee4u]

Thanks for your response.
One of my biggest things though is how can we possibly fit everything that we know that happened prior to Adam and Eve in 6 days?

Where do you fit Satan job's of protecting the mercy seat and his pride taking over? And these verses in Job?

Job 38:6 "Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;"

Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for Joy?" This tells us this what was happening when the foundations of the earth were first laid and fastened.

If you take this literallly that the Lord made both heaven and the earth in 6 days period instead of just this "age" that would entail Satan's pride and downfall as well.

I think there is some debate over the words heaven/heavens/sky, if its referring to just the physical sky, the universe, the spiritual abode of heaven or all of the above.
Scripture has even called the air around the earth, heaven. “the birds of the air/heaven" Matthew 6:26 depending on the version.

Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. . . when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy? (Job 38: 4,7)
For myself I have never had any firm feelings on this. I don't see that it matters if it was before or during that first day when God created the angels.

As to time, I don't know if that is even a relevant question since this is discussing spirits. 'time to get things done' may not even be a thing. Time is really for the physical world.
These are the type of questions we can make guesses on but I don't believe we can have firm answers since we haven't experienced heaven or understand angels apart from what scripture says about them, which isn't very much.

We know God made him the full pattern, full of beauty, etc and his job was to protect the mercy seat. Pride took over. All of this happened prior to Adam and Eve. We know he's already an enemy of God before the garden of Eden. He was perfect in all his ways God says until iniquity set in. But by saying everything was created in 6 days, both the heavens and the earth (with nothing before) you're basically saying this also happened within the 6 day period. How could he even have time to be perfect in all his ways and protect, then fall in that time period?

As before I really don't think you can take the time that it took to create the physical and extrapolate that back to how it affected spirits. Perhaps that time before Satan fell to earth was endless for them. The Time dilation from Einstein's theory of special relativity, where it's claimed that motion through space actually creates alterations in the flow of time, would indicates that time away from the earth in not the same as time on the earth. This all makes for interesting hypothesis but I would not set down hard and fast rules for this as I think its beyond our limited comprehension.

 

[GenemZ]

Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. . . when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy? (Job 38: 4,7)
For myself I have never had any firm feelings on this. I don't see that it matters if it was before or during that first day when God created the angels.

That passage in Job proves that angels were already created by God before the earth was created. They were there singing and shouting at its creation.

We see no such thing taking place in Genesis One. All there was was darkness and emptiness. Hardly anything to sing and shout about....

As Adam was given this world to have dominion over? So it was for angels with the prehistoric worlds. They had dominion over the prehistoric animals. All was well until Lucifer and his angels fell. That was when we see the fierce and ferocious dinosaurs appearing. Like thorns and thistles popped up after Adam fell. The creation changes according to the relationship with God.

If you want to better understand what part angels have in our lives (other than a simple Sunday school understanding) its essential to delve into the prehistoric realities to understand why Satan is appealing his case and trying to get out of the Lake of Fire.

Why do you think Satan and his angels are not already in the Lake of Fire? Was not God's judgment perfect? Satan (which means 'accusing attorney') is in the process of appealing his sentence.

Job was cross examined by Satan as a witness for the Lord.

The Bible is extremely deep when its able to be understood. Want to skim the surface all your life? Genesis One was the aftermath of the angels having lost their assignment of the old earth, after Lucifer and his angels had illegally unionized and went on strike against God's authority over their lives.

Over simplifying = error. For we are at war. Spiritual warfare. And, some want is kept so simple, that they demand to see Mr. Rogers in his sweater leading the charge. Bible for kiddies in adult bodies.

Just like with the media.. religion has fake news that distorts and suppresses truth to be found in the written word. Some are willing to lie as to gain influence over people lives. They see it as a game.

The Bible is a matter of life and death. Not a game.

......... !

 

[coffee4u]

So it was for angels with the prehistoric worlds. They had dominion over the prehistoric animals.

And your scripture verse on that statement?

 

[GenemZ]

And your scripture verse on that statement?

Here is one verse you have yet to realize is reality for those who do mature in grace and knowledge....

"And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and
more in knowledge and depth of insight." Philpns 1:9
​

Its not simply one verse, or two. Its derived from hours of excellent teaching by someone competent to teach from the Hebrew and Greek texts... and able to derive the historical setting for what is being stated.

This online booklet may help by giving you some background and knowledge to make you able to think and understand.

grace and peace.... https://www.rbthieme.org/PDF/The Angelic Conflict.pdf

 

[coffee4u]

Here is one verse you have yet to realize is reality for those who do mature in grace and knowledge....

"And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and
more in knowledge and depth of insight." Philpns 1:9
​

Its not simply one verse, or two. Its derived from hours of excellent teaching by someone competent to teach from the Hebrew and Greek texts... and able to derive the historical setting for what is being stated.

This online booklet may help by giving you some background and knowledge to make you able to think and understand.

grace and peace.... https://www.rbthieme.org/PDF/The Angelic Conflict.pdf

So no scripture verse to back up your statement that angels have 'dominion over the prehistoric animals.' So yet another thing from your own imagination, okay then.

 

[GenemZ]

So no scripture verse to back up your statement that angels have 'dominion over the prehistoric animals.' So yet another thing from your own imagination, okay then.

OK.. stay on the island. We are setting sail in the morning..

I did provide you a link.

 

[SkyWriting]

God spoke things into existence, which is instantaneous.

Except none of the defining words for "created" or "Made" even suggest a quick event. Check for yourself.

 

[GenemZ]

Except none of the defining words for "created" or "Made" even suggest a quick event. Check for yourself.

When God planned and agreed to make man in His image... the next moment we read, it was created.

God only had one day for each thing He was creating. Some of them were gigantic world wide endeavors. That was pretty quick if you ask me.

Why should God take time? Is he a laboring man?

How long did it take the Lord to transform the serpent?

 

[GenemZ]

I'm not quite sure what I believe about the days of Genesis. I have seen many arguments for the old earth perspective that the six days of the creation week are not meant to be literal 24 hour days, but rather long periods of time.

Well? If it took a long time for each "day?"

Everything would have burned up if one day was a century long before the first night appeared. Cooling and warming must take place..

 

[Freth]

Except none of the defining words for "created" or "Made" even suggest a quick event. Check for yourself.

The creation account meticulously records each day of creation, starting with the very first day when God created light and called light day and darkness night. God observed a literal six days of creation. Then He signified and sanctified the seventh day. To say otherwise is to add to or take away from the word of God.

Jesus warned about the adding to or taking away from God's word.

Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

"Oh, well he just meant the book of Revelation."

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

 

[Job 33:6]

The creation account meticulously records each day of creation, starting with the very first day when God created light and called light day and darkness night. God observed a literal six days of creation. Then He signified and sanctified the seventh day. To say otherwise is to add to or take away from the word of God.

Jesus warned about the adding to or taking away from God's word.

Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

"Oh, well he just meant the book of Revelation."

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

One response common among OECs is that Augustine held a different view, often referred to as a framework position:

And that because God referred to "evenings and mornings" before there was even a sun, that this and the structures layout of Genesis implies a timeless creation rather than a conchordist day-to-day creation.

If figures like St. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas, along with of course modern scholars today such as Claus Westerman or Paul Seely are holding this non literal view, it is therefore suggested to be a biblical interpretation that doesn't take away from the revelation of God. Else we would be calling early church fathers and scholars heretics.