Old Earth Creationism

[coffee4u]

Its annoying for a reason. I am annoying. Maybe, even deluded?

Convince who? Not you... someone else reading may get it... Seen it happen.

I had no plans to win you over. That can't come from me.

I will use opposition as a springboard to express what someone else will connect with. Some of my best posts were in response to opposition that I had no hope in winning over.

God does not waste anything. I am just commanded to redeem the time.

Young Earth creationism gives intelligent scientists who reject God vindication for rejecting the Bible. They do have data that they know points to a very old earth. They just do not know what to do with the data otherwise. But, when young earth creationism knocks on their door? I makes them feel justified for their unbelief. Its a terrible witness for God's Word.

And, Jeremiah when he quoted Genesis 1:2?

Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void; And the heavens, they had no light.

The Hebrew indicates chaos and destruction... with en eerie sense of emptiness associated with the setting. " Tohu wa bohu." English translation sometimes fall far from the mark and mislead. Yet, believers appreciate the good feel sense of the translations. Yet, the Jews Jeremiah was warning were being threatened severely. So be it...

Jeremiah 4:23 showed that to the Hebrew speaking Jews they knew the earth was utterly destroyed from judgment by God. Jeremiah was ripping into those rebellious Jews in his day and told them that what they read in Genesis 1:2 is going to happen to them by God's judgment on their land....

But... That only makes sense. Sorry to annoy you.

In the mean time. Certain scientist, or a person who follows the theory of evolution, may see the same posts that bored you. And, with God's help. See that the Bible will make sense and not be contradictory to the few things they have confirmed properly with the scientific data. Otherwise, much of their hypothesis are fairy tales for intellectuals. Just as young earth creationism satisfies a certain type of believer.... Irony flows both ways in this matter.

Its impossible to convince anyone of anything that is divine truth unless God grants them repentance to see it. For God must give them grace to do so.

Myself included. Yes... I am merely a human saved by grace as we all are.

Cheers! In search of those who can and will understand. Only ten righteous was needed to be found in Sodom for God to turn it around. God does not seek to win a popularity contest.

Grace and peace....

"They do have data that they know points to a very old earth."
And this is what you are basing your view on.

If science had said 'the world is 10 million years old based on starlight' would you now be here saying "They have data that they know the world is about 10 million years old" I think you would. You have assumed the data they have is valid, I have assumed it is invalid.

That data is simply mankind making calculations based on what they see, on how the world acts now, but those calculations are based on assumptions about the beginning and on the nature of the universe and on naturalistic principles.
These are not Godly men and woman.
When has man ever been reliable? Mankind is by his very nature a fallen, selfish and evil creature. He also thinks he is the font of all wisdom when the font of wisdom is God. Man's downfall was to be 'like God' This is what Satan tempted Eve with. Why would you trust their words on creation?

Lets take the stars. They assume because a stars light would take 4 billion years to reach the earth that it was created 4 billion years ago. Just because it now take a stars light 4 billion years to reach the earth by mathematical reasoning is not a fact that it was created 4 billion years ago. That is an out looked purely based on the theory of an unbound universe and other naturalistic assumptions.

How about a few scenarios that could completely change that mathematics.
1.The universe is bound not open as they assume.
2.God created the star close by and moved it across the expanse to its final resting spot with the light trailing behind it in an instant. You think scientists have that possibility in mind? Of course not, they have taken God out of the equation.
3. Time bends or folds as it gets further away so things appear to be different to what they actually are.

Those are 3 things that I can quickly think of that would completely change the mathematics of star light. I am sure other people have come up with more. All of these scenarios as well as the scenarios science has come up with are just that, scenarios. I wasn't there to see how God did things and neither were they. Since I know they weren't there to see how that starlight came to be, and because I know that mankind is evil, I assume they are wrong. The only one with all knowledge, with the actual truth is God.

When I read God's word I see he says he created in 6 days. At this point I have two options. I can take what God said as plain simple truth or I can believe that mankind has uncovered new truth and that scripture means something other than what it says.

I choose to believe that science is completely wrong. As wrong as they were about Haeckel's embryo drawings, as wrong as they were about thalidomide, as wrong as they were about Piltdown Man and many other things.
Those three things, Haeckel, thalidomide and Piltdown could be checked in the here and now and could be shown to be wrong.
Why do you think Haeckel's embryo drawings were accepted at the time? Because it fit the pre-existing view of evolution. People wanted it to be true and people want 4 billion light years of starlight to be true. This claim about starlight isn't something that anybody can ever disprove because nobody can go back to see how God created so it stands unchallenged.

If you want to keep trusting in the science that claims the world is 4 billion years old is your choice, I choose to believe they are as wrong as they were over Haeckel's embryo drawings.

 

[GenemZ]

"They do have data that they know points to a very old earth."
And this is what you are basing your view on.

Both YEC and TOE take liberties to gain their desired outcomes.

TOE claims the age of the earth to be way much older than it is. They do this to fit their calculations of how long it would take for life to evolve on its own.

Be that as it may. Even though TOE makes the earth to be much too old, the earth and the fossil evidence reveals it is much older than what the young earthers calculate to fit their desired outcome.

Both sides are in error. Both use the same type of modus operandi in "making stuff up" to fit the scenario they desire to see. Both force any contrary evidence into a spin machine and wring it out, claiming to be clean.

 

[coffee4u]

Both YEC and TOE take liberties to gain their desired outcomes.

TOE claims the age of the earth to be way much older than it is. They do this to fit their calculations of how long it would take for life to evolve on its own.

Be that as it may. Even though TOE makes the earth to be much too old, the earth and the fossil evidence reveals it is much older than what the young earthers calculate to fit their desired outcome.

Both sides are in error. Both use the same type of modus operandi in "making stuff up" to fit the scenario they desire to see. Both force any contrary evidence into a spin machine and wring it out, claiming to be clean.

I assume TOE has something to do with theistic evolution, yet another nod towards science.

So called 'fossil evidence' is based on assumptions made by evil men about things that can never be proven, things they will never know. The only fact here is that fossils exist. How they got there is the story spun around them. Stories and assumptions are not facts.

I am not a YEC because someone somewhere says there is good evidence, I believe in a young earth based solely from what scripture says. If you base what you end up believing due to science then you have placed that knowledge on the same level as God's breathed word.
1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness"

Scientists may think they know a lot of things, but they were not there only God was. All any scientist has, no matter if he or she believes in YEC, TOE or straight evolution is the world as it is now and any evidence they can gather is based on calculations and those calculations are based on assumptions. They have no idea if time bends, if the universe is bound or open, of how exactly God created. As such whatever answers they come up with are no more than interesting possibilities at best, to outright lies at worst.

 

[GenemZ]

I assume TOE has something to do with theistic evolution, yet another nod towards science.

God created the scientific mind. Science in itself is not evil. Some here act like science is intrinsically evil. Men are evil and can abuse science. God wants us to have scientists.

So called 'fossil evidence' is based on assumptions made by evil men about things that can never be proven, things they will never know. The only fact here is that fossils exist. How they got there is the story spun around them. Stories and assumptions are not facts.

Any data can be abused...

I am not a YEC because someone somewhere says there is good evidence, I believe in a young earth based solely from what scripture says. If you base what you end up believing due to science then you have placed that knowledge on the same level as God's breathed word.
1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness"

YEC's can be "sincerely" crafty as well.

And, for your information. The current world we now live in is relatively young. The buried worlds beneath it are what is old.

Scientists may think they know a lot of things, but they were not there only God was. All any scientist has, no matter if he or she believes in YEC, TOE or straight evolution is the world as it is now and any evidence they can gather is based on calculations and those calculations are based on assumptions.

You seem to think all scientists think the same thing.

They have no idea if time bends, if the universe is bound or open, of how exactly God created. As such whatever answers they come up with are no more than interesting possibilities at best, to outright lies at worst.

Too much marijuana indulgence may be the cause for much of the intense subjective speculations we get handed.

 

[coffee4u]

God created the scientific mind. Science in itself is not evil. Some here act like science is intrinsically evil. Men are evil and can abuse science. God wants us to have scientists.

I have nothing against science that can be observed and repeated, but I do have something against science theories based upon suppositions such as an open universe that can never actually be verified.

Any data can be abused...

Exactly my point; which is why I don't place any faith in science that is based upon assumptions such as Radiometric dating. These assumptions include: 1) the initial amount of the daughter isotope is known, 2) neither parent or daughter product has migrated into, or out of, the closed rock system, and 3) decay has occurred at a constant rate over time. And even if their tests are rock solid for here and now this only indicates it works here and now, within the system that human beings have been alive to test and observe. This doesn't mean it was always this way, it is again taken on assumption. Why trust anything men have based on assumptions that can never be proved?

YEC's can be "sincerely" crafty as well.

Did I somewhere say what they said was gospel? No, because they too are human. But I am more likely to listen to people who have God in the forefront rather then secularists. Doesn't mean I will always agree with them. Creation science no longer believes the firmament came down, I do.

And, for your information. The current world we now live in is relatively young. The buried worlds beneath it are what is old.

That's your take on it. God doesn't say he made some world, buried it and built upon it.

I believe there has only ever been this one world. It was made perfect and without death. Man sinned and they and the world both fell becoming corrupted with sin, death and disease. God sent a global flood as judgment that brought the firmament down reshaping the land. This is the world we live on that looks and acts very different than how it did at creation. Jesus will return to this world and will vanquish death and it will be remade back to how it was, perfect. The end.

You seem to think all scientists think the same thing.

If the shoe fits. Creation scientists obviously have a different take. Secular science has such great faith in evolution that nothing will ever dissuade them.

Too much marijuana indulgence may be the cause for much of the intense subjective speculations we get handed.

Must be talking about yourself, I'm a non smoker.

 

[GenemZ]

I have nothing against science that can be observed and repeated, but I do have something against science theories based upon suppositions such as an open universe that can never actually be verified.


Exactly my point; which is why I don't place any faith in science that is based upon assumptions such as Radiometric dating. These assumptions include: 1) the initial amount of the daughter isotope is known, 2) neither parent or daughter product has migrated into, or out of, the closed rock system, and 3) decay has occurred at a constant rate over time. And even if their tests are rock solid for here and now this only indicates it works here and now, within the system that human beings have been alive to test and observe. This doesn't mean it was always this way, it is again taken on assumption. Why trust anything men have based on assumptions that can never be proved?


Did I somewhere say what they said was gospel? No, because they too are human. But I am more likely to listen to people who have God in the forefront rather then secularists. Doesn't mean I will always agree with them. Creation science no longer believes the firmament came down, I do.


That's your take on it. God doesn't say he made some world, buried it and built upon it.

I believe there has only ever been this one world. It was made perfect and without death. Man sinned and they and the world both fell becoming corrupted with sin, death and disease. God sent a global flood as judgment that brought the firmament down reshaping the land. This is the world we live on that looks and acts very different than how it did at creation. Jesus will return to this world and will vanquish death and it will be remade back to how it was, perfect. The end.


If the shoe fits. Creation scientists obviously have a different take. Secular science has such great faith in evolution that nothing will ever dissuade them.


Must be talking about yourself, I'm a non smoker.

The fact remains....

Fossils reveal various worlds containing lifeforms that are manifested in isolated,layered,distinct eras. One not intermingling with the others. All EXTINCT.

Only the GAP understanding explains both creation, and the prehistoric worlds.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

What are your thoughts?

I have posted my thoughts regarding young earth creationism many times, but since the teaching of young earth creationism has caused, and is continuing to cause devastating damage to evangelical Christianity, I will post some of my thought once again. First, however, I need to explain my statement.

In my ministry to atheists, I have learned that very many atheists had been active members of churches that taught young earth creationism. I have also learned that very few of them had been active members of churches that taught an academically defensible interpretation of Genesis and references to it in other parts of the Bible. The reason for this is simply that we live today in a world in which knowledge is abundantly and freely available to everyone who has access to the internet. The age of the earth has been very accurately measured and found to be 4.54 billion years old. The number of animals that would necessarily have been aboard the “ark” in order to have the vast amount of genetic diversity that is clearly visible today would number in the millions! Indeed, as early as the first half of the third century, some Christians were aware of the fact the ark in the Genesis account was much too small to serve the purpose that is attributed to it. And these ancient Christians had knowledge of less than one percent of the absolutely necessary animals!

Furthermore, any bright adult with access to the internet can easily read the alarmingly dishonest articles published by young earth creationist organizations regarding the ark in the Genesis account and see for himself/herself that the story of the ark cannot possibly be an accurate account of an historic event—and if that story is not true, how much more of the Bible is not true? Hence, their faith evaporates into thin air! But—and this is a very important but—if they had been taught by their church that Genesis 1-11 is not an accurate account of historic events but rather a collection of severely redacted epic tales, sagas, myths, and, legends there would not have been a crisis of faith and they would have continued to grow in their faith and their understanding of the Bible.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

These are not Godly men and woman.

Your idea of godliness is merely your own personal idea.

When has man ever been reliable? Mankind is by his very nature a fallen, selfish and evil creature. He also thinks he is the font of all wisdom when the font of wisdom is God. Man's downfall was to be 'like God' This is what Satan tempted Eve with. Why would you trust their words on creation?

Why should we trust your words on creation or your interpretation of the Scriptures? Are you not also a victim of the fall?

 

[coffee4u]

The fact remains....

Fossils reveal various worlds containing lifeforms that are manifested in isolated,layered,distinct eras. One not intermingling with the others. All EXTINCT.

Only the GAP understanding explains both creation, and the prehistoric worlds.

No, the fact remains that fossils simply show that something died and was buried, that is all they show.
This idea of distinct eras is again the story woven around the fossils. They don't come with labels stating "I'm from the cretaceous period'

The gap theory can't be shown from scripture. It's for those who feel the need to shake hands with secular science.

Okay enough of this. Like I told you back on my first post I really don't want to argue with you because it is a pointless waste of time.
So I am going to ignore anything more you have to say on this topic because unlike you I do actually prefer to live peaceably with others.

 

[coffee4u]

Your idea of godliness is merely your own personal idea.


Why should we trust your words on creation or your interpretation of the Scriptures? Are you not also a victim of the fall?

I'm not asking you to trust my words on creation. We are all a victim of the fall, if we were not, God would not have needed to have his words written down.

Exodus 20
20 And God spoke all these words:
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

 

[GenemZ]

No, the fact remains that fossils simply show that something died and was buried, that is all they show.

For those with a developed intelligence it shows far more than your over simplifying does.

If your church promotes what you do? And, if I attended as a new believer? I would have become depressed and felt there is no hope. That if that were true Christianity? That it has its foundation based on a voluntary mass delusion for the sake of unity with others. That one must hang his brains at the door when entering.

I would get out of there and keep praying to God to please make sense.

Now if I were a child forced to attend such a church?.... It may turn me into an atheist as I grew older. An atheist, yes. One who had become saved when I believed in Jesus as a young child after hearing the Gospel. Such a church is not capable of causing spiritual growth beyond babyhood Christianity. Many suffer in that state. Spiritually impoverished, but thinking they are wise... Its a trap.

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[GenemZ]

I'm not asking you to trust my words on creation. We are all a victim of the fall, if we were not, God would not have needed to have his words written down.

Exodus 20
20 And God spoke all these words:
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Hey! There will be more new heavens and new earths from God! Read the Bible more. Isaiah spoke of a new heavens and new earth that will replace the one we now live in.

And? This heavens and earth will not be remembered any longer by those living in that new heavens and earth!

Our present world will have become the next "prehistoric world" to them.

“See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind." Isa 65:17​

Imagine if those of that future heavens and earth dug up the bones of a wolf of our day?

Dug up the bones of a lion of our day?

The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
and dust will be the serpent’s food.
They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,”
says the Lord." Isa 65:25

​

Think of all the speculation some might come up with in a desire to explain such a difference! Speculation... For they will not recall or remember our world that God "MADE" (not created) in six days! The only answer will be found in the Word of God. Old Earth will be revealed to them that way to explain the bones they may find.

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God will change those animal body structures instantly OVER NIGHT!

No evolution!

We will become a prehistoric creation to them.

One can ask...

What is God's purpose in our present world?
and....
What was God's purpose in the prehistoric worlds?

 

[JulieB67]

I'm not asking you to trust my words on creation. We are all a victim of the fall, if we were not, God would not have needed to have his words written down.

Exodus 20
20 And God spoke all these words:
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Not really wanting to debate, I know you don't either, that's fine. So no offense in asking this, but don't you think these verses in context are much more about the Sabbath than the age of the earth? We know it took 6 days for what God did in this age. And he rested after that. But the scripture that stands out for me that totally declares that the heavens and earth were of "old" are the Peter scriptures. That is God definitely declaring the heavens and earth were of old. And 6000 years isn't old by any means. And even younger when Peter wrote those words.


II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"

No one is willingly ignorant about the time from Adam and Eve until now or even until Peter's time.

 

[coffee4u]

Not really wanting to debate, I know you don't either, that's fine. So no offense in asking this, but don't you think these verses in context are much more about the Sabbath than the age of the earth? We know it took 6 days for what God did in this age. And he rested after that. But the scripture that stands out for me that totally declares that the heavens are earth were of "old" are the Peter scriptures. That is God definitely declaring the heavens and earth were of old. And 6000 years isn't old by any means. And even younger when Peter wrote those words.


II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"

No one is willingly ignorant about the time from Adam and Eve until now or even until Peter's time.

That's okay, these men just don't know when to stop.

Well Exodus 20 is the Ten Commandments so it is historical and literal.
Commandment 4:
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy"
They were to keep this law just as they were to keep all the other laws.

God then explained the law.
9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
Then He explained where the basis for the law.
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The entire passage is plain clear language meant to be taken literally by the listeners.
To pluck out verse 11 and make a claim that one verse amongst all those literal verses is not literal makes no sense.

The age of the earth isn't mentioned. What is mentioned though is that the creation of the heavens and earth is included all within those 6 days.
He didn't have to, the passage could have just mentioned that God created everything on the world like the land, plants and animals, but he didn't, he included the creation of the heaven and the earth all within those 6 days.

II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"
I believe this is talking about the world at creation and how it was made out of water.
Then Adam and Eve fell. At that point the world changed. Adam and Eve died spiritually and the curse came down in Genesis 3
So there was the old world of perfection as God first created it to be and a newer world of corruption caused by the sin of Adam.

The old world.
Genesis 1:31
God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

The new world
Romans 8:22
We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.

There is a stark contrast between the world as God created it to be and what it became.

 

[coffee4u]

Hey! There will be more new heavens and new earths from God! Read the Bible more. Isaiah spoke of a new heavens and new earth that will replace the one we now live in.

And? This heavens and earth will not be remembered any longer by those living in that new heavens and earth!

Our present world will have become the next "prehistoric world" to them.

“See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind." Isa 65:17​

Imagine if those of that future heavens and earth dug up the bones of a wolf of our day?

Dug up the bones of a lion of our day?

The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
and dust will be the serpent’s food.
They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,”
says the Lord." Isa 65:25

​

Think of all the speculation some might come up with in a desire to explain such a difference! Speculation... For they will not recall or remember our world that God "MADE" (not created) in six days! The only answer will be found in the Word of God. Old Earth will be revealed to them that way to explain the bones they may find.

​

God will change those animal body structures instantly OVER NIGHT!

No evolution!

We will become a prehistoric creation to them.

One can ask...

What is God's purpose in our present world?
and....
What was God's purpose in the prehistoric worlds?

There was no prehistoric world. God created this world, Adam and Eve sinned and they and the world corrupted. Death came in, things died. God judged the world with a flood, more things died, got buried and many fossils were created.

21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
First earth, take note. This earth that we are living on is the first earth.

God's plan was to create this world, to gather a people unto himself, who would then live on the new world. That always was and is the plan.

Now you seem to be suggesting some strange cycle of rebirth similar to Hinduism.
As if people on the new perfect world will dig up bones from this world.
“Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
Unlike the world as it is now, God will dwell amongst us and he will be our God. The new world is not sinful, because death and sin has been done away with. We will not be 'digging up bones'. That would indicate death and sorrow and corruption. Death has been vanquished.
1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

There will be no digging up of bones for there will be no bones.

 

[GenemZ]

There was no prehistoric world. God created this world, Adam and Eve sinned and they and the world corrupted. Death came in, things died. God judged the world with a flood, more things died, got buried and many fossils were created.

If that were true? Where are all those men bones fossils? After all, God was judging Noah's world because of what man was doing.

If this was walking around in Noah's day?

It would have been mentioned all over early Genesis!

Animals and man were not meat eaters before the flood!

Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the
whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be
yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the
sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that
has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was
so. Gen 1:29-30​

That means those fierce dinosaurs had to be on earth after the flood if they were of our created world!


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[GenemZ]

If animals were carnivores before the flood? Many would have been devoured as they came off the Ark after being on the Ark for almost a year.

Genesis 8 tells how they did not depart the Ark simply after the 40 days of rain stopped. But, rather. God took a long time to clear the land of the water. The animals remained on the Ark for many months. So what did T Rex and and all the fossilized carnivores eat while still on the Ark?

No dinosaurs were on the Ark... Not even the prehistoric herbivores, were not.

 

[GenemZ]

1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

There will be no digging up of bones for there will be no bones.

That enemy will not be destroyed till when the Millennium is finished.


For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he “has put
everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has
been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God
himself, who put everything under Christ.

 

[JulieB67]

The age of the earth isn't mentioned. What is mentioned though is that the creation of the heavens and earth is included all within those 6 days.

Thanks for your response.
One of my biggest things though is how can we possibly fit everything that we know that happened prior to Adam and Eve in 6 days?

Where do you fit Satan job's of protecting the mercy seat and his pride taking over? And these verses in Job?

Job 38:6 "Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;"

Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for Joy?" This tells us this what was happening when the foundations of the earth were first laid and fastened.


If you take this literallly that the Lord made both heaven and the earth in 6 days period instead of just this "age" that would entail Satan's pride and downfall as well. We know God made him the full pattern, full of beauty, etc and his job was to protect the mercy seat. Pride took over. All of this happened prior to Adam and Eve. We know he's already an enemy of God before the garden of Eden. He was perfect in all his ways God says until iniquity set in. But by saying everything was created in 6 days, both the heavens and the earth (with nothing before) you're basically saying this also happened within the 6 day period. How could he even have time to be perfect in all his ways and protect, then fall in that time period?

 

[GenemZ]

The age of the earth isn't mentioned. What is mentioned though is that the creation of the heavens and earth is included all within those 6 days.
He didn't have to, the passage could have just mentioned that God created everything on the world like the land, plants and animals, but he didn't, he included the creation of the heaven and the earth all within those 6 days.

In the beginning (before Day One!) God created the heavens and earth.

It's creation was outside of our sense of time that God created the Heavens and earth.

There was no Day One. That came later on. The Heavens and Earth were created (out from nothing) at some time not determined. It was created prehistorically. No Day One yet to give us time....

Can we please get the simple stuff straight? Taking license to have something mean what it does not say makes one wonder about the integrity of another's thinking. Integrity = holiness.