Philostratus said:
Nice post John! It was clear and understandable AND actually made a point.
Thank you, if you like the cornerstone example, perhaps you would like to read what Jesus had to say about it:
Luke 20:17b
'The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone'?
1 Peter 2:4-5
Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, [5] you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
The next question I have then is: If the Bible is the supposed "Cornerstone of Science", what exactly are scientists supposed to plumb up to? The contention many scientists (and Christian ones at that) have with this line of reasoning is that they find no evidence of useable or accurate scientific data in the Bible.
1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Why don't you look at all of Paul teaches on this subject. Don't say: John said this or John said that. Why don't we look at what Paul has to say about it. You want us to study up on science. Well, this is a Christian board so you should do a little bit of study in the Bible. Here I will give you the whole passage on this:
1 Cor. 2:3-9
I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. [4] And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, [5] that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
[6] However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. [7] But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, [8] which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. [9] But as it is written:
"Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
1 Cor. 2:10-16
But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. [11] For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. [12]
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. [13] These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. [14] But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. [15] But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. [16] For "who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
I believe, JohnR7, that you truly believe there is (or desire greatly for it to be there. I think this desire stems from your want to participate in a field of study where you are underqualified or just plain not good: science).
Yes, as you judge me, so I will judge you. Study the Bible so you will be qualified to comment on it.
This has been said many times on these boards John: The Bible addresses theological and spiritual things, NOT scientific things. It never will.
That is just not true at all. I do not think your looking at the Bible, you must be looking at the traditions of man. The Bible talks about natural things. But it is the Spirit of God that is our teacher.
James 1:5
If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.
God will liberally give wisdom to those who ask. Not just wisdom about spiritual things, but also wisdom about natural things. How do you think Noah knew how to build a Ark, if God had not showed him how? God will show you the pattern.