I keep having thoughts saying I don't wanna be a Christian anymore is that normal for OCD what should I do?
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OCD is destroying my faith... HELP!
- Thread starter TheWorriedOne
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What did Jesus say about faith the size of a mustard seed? and who said said we cant be saved with doubts. The reason why I have brought you all the examples that I have brought you in my posts is to show you that the greatest saints all had doubts, and not just some doubts, but hugeeeeee doubts, but remember what you said about reading devotionals and praying anyways? This is true faith, not the faith where you just feel that tingly sensation all the time. The saints with the biggest faith started out with the biggest doubts. Faith really can explode through uncertainty because its being exercised ina great way.
I am on a yahoo scrupulosity group that is run by a lutheran pastor, Which I will pm you and worriedone after I find it again. When I first got in there and told him my situation I thought he would be shocked.
He said "ok you have doubt, you are not the first person to have it and you wont be the last" HE actually said that he would have been surprised if I hadnt had any doubts ever" and that alot of christians have battled with some doubts in their life.
Raven you are giving 100% right now, you cant give more then that, Tell the lord that you will leave the rest in his hands. TRust in the lords nature. Remember that old man in the bible that Jesus helped heal his son? He told Christ "I believe, Help my unbelief". You are not sure if your thoughts are ocd or not? To me it seems like ocd, but even if it isnt ocd all you have to do is tell God what your feeling. Tell him about your storm and tell him that your doing your best, and let him handle the rest.
God is the essence of love and truth. He knows your true hearts desires Raven. DO you really think he is gonna let you slip through his hands?
The God I know wouldnt do that.
You dont think I also go through it? I do, but I decided to take a leap of faith, and I dont care how long these thoughts hit me, Im taking them and offering my suffering up to the cross and I trust Jesus will eventually get me through it.
Mother Teresa went through what you and me are going through for 60 years!!!!!!, and still she perservered and loved and helped the poor, same for martin luther.These are not small guys in the faith either. Trust that God will bring you out of this and he will not only do that, but he will make you accomplish great works in your life through him.
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I asked my pastor today from Cedar Creek Church here in Toledo about this. This is the conversation:
- Ryan Thompson
- Hey Kyle, I have a question for you. In short what do you tell a person or direct them towards when they have doubt about their faith and they have OCD that prompts them to doubt everything, even when they want to try and believe... Some girl is struggling with her faith, has OCD (possibly) and is afraid that she will either go to Hell because her doubt creates a bunch of anxiety that God and Heaven doesn't exist or because she can't literally prove it. Is there an answer for her? She prays, reads devotionals, helps other people, etc. Any advice? I know your no therapist, just thought I'd throw it your way. Thanks man.
- Hey Kyle, I have a question for you. In short what do you tell a person or direct them towards when they have doubt about their faith and they have OCD that prompts them to doubt everything, even when they want to try and believe... Some girl is struggling with her faith, has OCD (possibly) and is afraid that she will either go to Hell because her doubt creates a bunch of anxiety that God and Heaven doesn't exist or because she can't literally prove it. Is there an answer for her? She prays, reads devotionals, helps other people, etc. Any advice? I know your no therapist, just thought I'd throw it your way. Thanks man.
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Kyle Gray
- Until she can prove that God DOESN'T exist, she shouldn't worry about a thing
- Until she can prove that God DOESN'T exist, she shouldn't worry about a thing
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Its very normal for OCD, as I go through thewhole spectrum of thoughts. If it causes you fear and anxiety and it has a chance to attack your most precious beliefs, it will find a way to twist them around in you to keep you in this cycle. You will be talking to professionals soon so please hang on, and if you need to talk just shoot me a pm ok
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Hey guys I was on Facebook and a Christian group posted Hebrews 3:12 Which says something about not letting your doubts turn you from the living God. It really bothers me because it makes me think that post was somehow directed towards me and I'm worried about falling away even more.
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This may mean nothing but you know, there is something about looking at Jesus. He said "come to me all you who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest.". He does not want us to carry our burden by ourselves. In fact He wants to carry our burden for us. Invite Him in your heart to do that, even if it's just a few seconds prayer. Don't let your own heart tell you what to do. It is deceitful, all of our hearts are, who shall know them? Give your burdens to the Lord and He will take them because He cares for you. He is always willing to take you back. Just ask Him, no matter how hard does it feel. In Christ you have every right to forget about your troubles and behold Him.
May He bless you and keep you!
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Strelok, correct and I will add that our salvation through Christ does not depend on our feelings for in the end its what Jesus did for us that saves us.
Raven its ok to feel what your feeling as long as you know that in reading the bible you will see that Jesus doesnt operateon our feelings. HE operates on his will, his salvation plan for us, his unlimited mercy for us and his infinite love for us.
Hold onto all of this whether your feelings feel good a particular day or month or whether they feel good this season.
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raven1
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Why if this is true would so much emphasis be put on the fact salvation comes from belief. The prayer of salvation says we must believe jesus died on the cross for our sins. The fact that some doubt he exists and others dont add to my doubt he exists which leads to more doubtof being saved or I feel maybe some aren't chosen.
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Yeah that's a question I thought too Raven. Also I just saw the doctor and he sais there are many people like me and the best way to deal with it was to keep myself busy. I would like to do that but I feel like I have to address these thoughts or I'll lose mu faith and I go into this cycle. So how can I ignore and be sure I won't lose my faith?
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Raven, this is why i asked if there was even a small part of you that believes and you answered yes. This is the key. If what you say is true then why have most of the greatest saints in history have also some of the biggest doubt thoughts like this. If you read what John Bunyan went through you will both immediately empathize with him. The faith that is as small as the musturd seed is you saying yes to God, after that God takes control. Your job is to just pray and get help and God will plant that small mustard seed and itwill blossom into a huge plant at the time of his choosing.
See Raven, your probably still tryingto get more reassurance from the opinions of others. All scupulosity sufferers go through this and the pull is so strong that its very hard to resist. Worriedone and you cant tell whether its ocd or not,but others here can. If you could tell whether the thoughts are ocd or not then u wouldnt have ocd. Im telling u both it is very tricky. As im posting this my stomach gets a small pounding so I knwo what your both going through.
The reason why others dont believe is that they have made a free will choice to not believe and it doesnt effect them emotionally one way or another. You both are not from that mold.
Raven I hope that you are getting helpfrom a therapist that is familiar on how to treat these sort of thoughts.
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Raven,no where in the bible does it say that our faith must be perfect, in fact Jesus wants u to come as you are. Maybe some strict fundamentalists will tell you that you arent saved because your faith isnt perfect but they are actually going against the bible itself.
Remember both of you, faith like a mustard seed. God is the planter so just get help and let him take over. It might not be cured over night but Jesus will get you both through this. All you have to do is say YES
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raven1
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What about the verse thst talks about how he has given us sufficient evidence to believe. I can believe in ghosts becauae I have seen pictures and heard evps but I can't believe in God. The bible says we believe through his grace. So is it a gift. Is it leading to doubt, who can really know.
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Worried one was this the question you wanted answered? What kind of doctor have u seen? I had a few doctors that told me that at the beginning, but I hope your doctor understands that you will need a christian therapist to help you deal with it and who can also give you some cognative behavioral therapy . With OCD we cant really handle these thoughts the way most people do as it is a disorder.
You will not lose your faith because your will wants Jesus. Look bro, I know the need to get reassurance as I went through 2 years of absolute horror where I was on the verge of doing away with my life. Can it get any worse? As long as I hold on, have patience and get the meds and therapy you will need you will start to see some light at the end of the tunnel. I am still being bashed by these thoughts, especially now with my mom being in a coma, but there is just a little bit of faint light in the distance. That faint light is the mustard seed. Keep that mustard seed alive, say Yes to our lord and ask him to take care of the rest.
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Raven, actually there is more evidence for God then there is for even ghosts. I can name a million examples but the one I decided to focus on the most are the thousands of manuscripts of the new testamment that were left to us by the disciples who happily went to their death for what they had seen (the risen Christ). The historicity of the new testament is better then the historicity of any historical figure of event. You believe in alexander the great, you believe in ceasar, you believe in general hannibal of carthage dont you? Well their historicity doesnt even hold a candle to teh historicity of the new testament. This is strong evidence no matter what atheist will tell you.
The shroud of turin is another. 2 years of studying that shroud makes the evidence unmistakable of who caused that image on the shroud.
I could ramble on for years, but right now raven, even if Jesus appeared to you , you will still have doubts because OCD will cause you to reach into the deepest most irrational doubts your imagination could muster and make them a reality that youcant deny.
I know it as I lived and still at times live the nightmare at times.
Name your thoughts on this subject and I have gone through it a million times over.
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Raven, God also understands how fragile our minds can be at times, you dont think he takes this under consideration?
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Yes that was the question so when the doubts come up try to ignore them because no matter what I think they can't get in my head and take away my faith. I'm upping my Meds again tomorrow. I'm praying for your Mom.
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Not exactly ignore them. Let them be there and except them for what they are. OCD thoughts that are there only to try to get you into an endless regression of assurance that willmake you feel good for a bit then the thoughts hit you again and you will need more assurance to keep them at bay.
Just let them happen in your mind, and try to do something u really enjoy doing during the day. Please ask the doctor if he has any therapists with christian leanings who can show you some cbt techniques that can help you with this. I still have problems at times myself so your not alone bro.
Also did you and raven check out the yahoo group that I pmed to you both?
Do you parents know about this?
Thank you so much for praying for my mom bro, from what the doctors are saying it doesnt look good, but im gonna keep praying because in the end God can do anything. Its in his hands now
Just let them happen in your mind, and try to do something u really enjoy doing during the day. Please ask the doctor if he has any therapists with christian leanings who can show you some cbt techniques that can help you with this. I still have problems at times myself so your not alone bro.
Also did you and raven check out the yahoo group that I pmed to you both?
Do you parents know about this?
Thank you so much for praying for my mom bro, from what the doctors are saying it doesnt look good
, but im gonna keep praying because in the end God can do anything. Its in his hands now
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Remember Raven, that Jesus came to teach us that knowing the laws are good but if you dont practice them from within the heart, its doesnt mean a thing. Robots can memorize the bible but can robots practice the laws from the heart?
Raven you are saved because of the love of Jesus not because we practice his laws in perfection. God is LOVE above all love.
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