Objective evidence of God

[Oncedeceived]

And do any of these tests confirm that God made the tree?

See my added edit.

 

[Old Ned]

Thank you for your honesty

Will await ED's answer, I'm intrigued.

 

[Sayre]

The OP asked for Testable, Objective evidence. Your opinion of his question is not an answer, but thank you.

It either is both testable and objective, or it is not.

The tree was offered up as such, so I ask how do we test it?

Yes I realise my opinion doesn't change the question in the OP - but it flavours my response so I'm going to voice it anyway, like it or not.

A tree is a tree. Truisms don't really help us much. I don't think that a tree is objective testable evidence for God.

 

[Old Ned]

Yes I realise my opinion doesn't change the question in the OP - but it flavours my response so I'm going to voice it anyway, like it or not.

A tree is a tree. Truisms don't really help us much. I don't think that a tree is objective testable evidence for God.

Oh... this is awkward. So I must have misunderstood, it appears we agree lol
Apologies, I misread your post.

 

[Sayre]

No worries Flanders.

 

[EternalDragon]

Yes, but the OP specifically asked for OBJECTIVE evidence for a god......a tree don't cut it.....

So show me by testing and observing, just how the tree got here. Lets use an apple tree that requires a seed from it's fruit to produce more trees.

How did it come to exist in the beginning? Please show this by using science that is objective and testable. Preferably also observable. Then we can move on to why a tree is evidence for an ID.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So show me by testing and observing, just how the tree got here. Lets use an apple tree that requires a seed from it's fruit to produce more trees.

How did it come to exist in the beginning? Please show this by using science that is objective and testable. Preferably also observable. Then we can move on to why a tree is evidence for an ID.

Nope, if you want to make such a claim you have to do your own homework.

It can be shown easily how all fossils fit the evolutionary paradigm. You won't even define ID, must less give any mechanism for it. You have a lot of work to do.

 

[PrayerandPeace]

Animals are all the evidence I need

 

[Sayre]

Why a tree? Will any object do? Can I point at any object and claim it is objective evidence for God, even if our understanding of that evidence is subjective? Can I point at a vestigial organ and claim objective evidence for ID?

 

[EternalDragon]

Nope, if you want to make such a claim you have to do your own homework.

It can be shown easily how all fossils fit the evolutionary paradigm. You won't even define ID, must less give any mechanism for it. You have a lot of work to do.

I'm not the one making the claim that a tree (or anything else for that matter) came into existence by natural, unguided and unintelligent means.

Someone asked for evidence of God. I give you a tree along with written history that states God made it.

But I'll humor you and do some homework.

Here it is:

There is still no "standard model" of the origin of life. Most currently accepted models draw at least some elements from the framework laid out by the Oparin-Haldane hypothesis. Under that umbrella, however, are a wide array of disparate discoveries and conjectures.

Abiogenesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm not the one making the claim that a tree (or anything else for that matter) came into existence by natural, unguided and unintelligent means.

Someone asked for evidence of God. I give you a tree along with written history that states God made it.

But I'll humor you and do some homework.

Here it is:

There is still no "standard model" of the origin of life. Most currently accepted models draw at least some elements from the framework laid out by the Oparin-Haldane hypothesis. Under that umbrella, however, are a wide array of disparate discoveries and conjectures.

Abiogenesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And you get an F.

You need to do more than simply claim that a tree is evidence of a god.

There is no written history that says a god made it either.

So, it seems that your ignorance is even deeper than first thought. You do nut understand what is evidence or what is history.

Try again.

 

[EternalDragon]

And you get an F.

You need to do more than simply claim that a tree is evidence of a god.

There is no written history that says a god made it either.

So, it seems that your ignorance is even deeper than first thought. You do nut understand what is evidence or what is history.

Try again.

I don't think you realize that the only evidence for a tree's existence via natural processes is in the imagination of a human being only.

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't think you realize that the only evidence for a tree's existence via natural processes is in the imagination of a human being only.

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

I don't think you realize that the only evidence for a god's existence via natural processes is in the imagination of a human being only.


Unless you give some corroborating evidence the Bible is of no use at all. In fact there are sites that will show the almost countless errors in the Bible that I can link to.

This is a particularly nice one:

BibViz Project - Bible Contradictions, Misogyny, Violence, Inaccuracies interactively visualized

 

[CabVet]

And here I am, still waiting for objective evidence supporting the existence of God...

 

[EternalDragon]

I don't think you realize that the only evidence for a god's existence via natural processes is in the imagination of a human being only.


Unless you give some corroborating evidence the Bible is of no use at all. In fact there are sites that will show the almost countless errors in the Bible that I can link to.

This is a particularly nice one:

BibViz Project - Bible Contradictions, Misogyny, Violence, Inaccuracies interactively visualized

And each one is easily refutable. I've seen them many times before. It's merely a very poor effort to try to disqualify the bible. Just as Lucifer did to Eve in the garden.

Genesis 3:1

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

 

[CabVet]

And each one is easily refutable.

Not as easily refutable as saying that a tree is evidence of God.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And each one is easily refutable. I've seen them many times before. It's merely a very poor effort to try to disqualify the bible. Just as Lucifer did to Eve in the garden.

Genesis 3:1

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Only if you are willing to contradict yourself. You should see some of the gymnastics people go through trying to refute those self contradictions, especially when the Bible contradicts itself multiple times.

 

[CabVet]

Only if you are willing to contradict yourself. You should see some of the gymnastics people go through trying to refute those self contradictions, especially when the Bible contradicts itself multiple times.

What I find really interesting is that even the Bible says there is no evidence for God. It clearly says that you need faith to believe in him. What they don't seem to realize is that, if there was objective, testable evidence for God, there would be no need for faith.

Job 11: 7 Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection? 8 It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?

1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

 

[Oncedeceived]

Nope, if you want to make such a claim you have to do your own homework.

It can be shown easily how all fossils fit the evolutionary paradigm. You won't even define ID, must less give any mechanism for it. You have a lot of work to do.

What do you mean all fossils fit the evolutionary paradigm.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I don't think you realize that the only evidence for a tree's existence via natural processes is in the imagination of a human being only.

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

I see where you are on this, but don't you think it is a rather broad and general piece of the whole?