Objective evidence of God

[Subduction Zone]

I know how the search engines work. However, there are tenets of each religion that you mentioned that prove you wrong.

No, people always ignore the tenets of their religion, so that could not prove me wrong.

No Christian faithfully follows the Bible. I am sure that the same could be said of other religions and their followers. To do that people would have to have something seriously wrong with them.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Perhaps you misunderstood you friend. Also a "personal experience" with a prophet would be the same for them as your supposed "personal experience" with God. You may not realize it but that is the exact same sort of evidence or experience.

So not only do you tell Christians what they believe you are telling Muslims as well. I think that those in the religion itself probably know more about the religion than you do.

 

[Oncedeceived]

No, people always ignore the tenets of their religion, so that could not prove me wrong.

No Christian faithfully follows the Bible. I am sure that the same could be said of other religions and their followers. To do that people would have to have something seriously wrong with them.

If it is a tenet that you are not worthy to have experiences with Allah because of being unworthy do you really think that someone of that faith is going to claim they have an experience of Allah? That would be a dishonor to Allah. You really do not understand the Muslim faith and I know from our conversations that you equally have no understanding of Christianity.

 

[bhsmte]

Human beings have a strong desire to know and find truth.

Not true for all, not even close.

Many have a strong desire to see what they want to see, interpret subjectively to meet their pre-conceived notions and defend their beliefs.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So not only do you tell Christians what they believe you are telling Muslims as well. I think that those in the religion itself probably know more about the religion than you do.

Wrong, I linked at least one article that showed your friend was wrong. There are even more. I am sure if I could write in Arabic I could find many of them.

My link clearly showed that you were wrong. That does not mean that your friend was wrong, I pointed out that you may not have understood him.

Your logic needs work.

ETA: And I was a Christian. So please don't try to tell me what Christians believe.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If it is a tenet that you are not worthy to have experiences with Allah because of being unworthy do you really think that someone of that faith is going to claim they have an experience of Allah? That would be a dishonor to Allah. You really do not understand the Muslim faith and I know from our conversations that you equally have no understanding of Christianity.

It does not matter, you really do not understand people, do you?

I don't have to understand the Muslim faith, I only have to understand people. You are acting as if the Muslim claims were legitimate.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yet I have seen SZ or someone else admit there is no real sequence like that on the earth. (or in the earth)

No, you have misunderstood people when they tired to explain it to you.

After many people have tried to explain something to you and you still don't understand simple ideas it becomes clear that we are not the problem, you are.

Still, I am always willing to try one more time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Now where in the world did that come from?

Seriously? You did not know that?

I also had a thread on that here. Creationists had no valid explanation for the fossil record. Their simplest claims were easily shown to be wrong.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Wrong, I linked at least one article that showed your friend was wrong. There are even more. I am sure if I could write in Arabic I could find many of them.

My link clearly showed that you were wrong. That does not mean that your friend was wrong, I pointed out that you may not have understood him.

Your logic needs work.

ETA: And I was a Christian. So please don't try to tell me what Christians believe.

SZ if you were a Christian why do you misunderstand faith and take the Bible verses out of context?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Seriously? You did not know that?

I also had a thread on that here. Creationists had no valid explanation for the fossil record. Their simplest claims were easily shown to be wrong.

ARe you talking about YEC's?

 

[Subduction Zone]

SZ if you were a Christian why do you misunderstand faith and take the Bible verses out of context?

What makes you think that I misunderstand the faith? Most atheists understand the faith much better than most Christians. And when do I take verses out of context? Usually the verses I choose are fairly clear and do not need chapters of context.

 

[Oncedeceived]

It does not matter, you really do not understand people, do you?

I don't have to understand the Muslim faith, I only have to understand people. You are acting as if the Muslim claims were legitimate.

Yes, if you are going to make claims about a group of people that have certain beliefs you need to understand those claims and beliefs.

 

[Oncedeceived]

What makes you think that I misunderstand the faith? Most atheists understand the faith much better than most Christians. And when do I take verses out of context? Usually the verses I choose are fairly clear and do not need chapters of context.

Oh please, the deal about most atheists understanding Christianity better than Christians is bunk.

 

[Subduction Zone]

ARe you talking about YEC's?

Definitely YEC's, but I have not even heard of an explanation from OEC's.

Of course there are as many thousands of variations of YEC's OEC's, and ID believers.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh please, the deal about most atheists understanding Christianity better than Christians is bunk.

Nope, what makes you say that? It has been tested.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Definitely YEC's, but I have not even heard of an explanation from OEC's.

Of course there are as many thousands of variations of YEC's OEC's, and ID believers.

An explanation for what? That there are fossils, just what are you claiming here?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, if you are going to make claims about a group of people that have certain beliefs you need to understand those claims and beliefs.

No, that does not follow. As I said, no one strictly follows their own religion.

I don't know enough about Islam, but I do know enough about Christianity to show that this is true. I do know enough about people to know that my statement is true.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Nope, what makes you say that? It has been tested.

By whom?

 

[Subduction Zone]

An explanation for what? That there are fossils, just what are you claiming here?

Your question proves my point.

How were the fossils formed? Why do we see them in the order that we do? Remember that there are serious problems with the order of life in the Bible. It has some of them correct but not all.

 

[Oncedeceived]

No, that does not follow. As I said, no one strictly follows their own religion.

I don't know enough about Islam, but I do know enough about Christianity to show that this is true. I do know enough about people to know that my statement is true.

You are contradicting yourself. If you don't know enough about Islam you can't make your claims. You can't know they are true if you can't even know what you are talking about in the first place. You do not know all people, all Muslims, all Christians to make any broad statements about their beliefs. You may have many opinions about many things about their religions but you don't know and can't know your statement is true.