Obedience in the millennial kingdom.

[sovereigngrace]

Take your spiritual mess and go preach that to someone else, i do not waste time on that junk.

That seems to be what you are anticipating.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

But what about the billions of millennials (as the sand of the sea) inheritors that turn on Jesus and follow Satan after 1000 years of perfect righteous rule? They supposedly observe countless millions of us glorified saints operating perfectly and they think it is cool to follow Satan? This whole portrayal is a farce. These must be the most deluded humans that ever set foot on planet earth.

you think this a farce then think about how angels rebelled and the conditions they lived under? God wants people to choose him and these people will have more in common with the angelic rebellion than with what we have experienced. You the Bible is a supernatural book and God does amazing things why not listen to what he says and accept it rather than try to twist is into a handy metaphor. The Jefferson Bible removed all the miracles and your allegories are removing the literal predictions the word has made. you know the LORD says he alone tells the future in Isaiah

And who can proclaim as I do?
Then let him declare it and set it in order for Me,
Since I appointed the ancient people.
And the things that are coming and shall come,
Let them show these to them.

Remember the former things of old,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure,’
11 Calling a bird of prey from the east,
The man who executes My counsel, from a far country.
Indeed I have spoken it;
I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it;
I will also do it.

 

[Hammster]

Because those survivors repented, they dropped the self serving ways of man for the will of God. Repentance means change of ways. They made a choice to live in a new world where self interest was no longer a thing and the oppression we once created was replaced by freedom. . It is the hope of the followers of Jesus. It was after all the original sin, putting our will ahead of God's, simply out of self interest. Any Christian should understand that basic principal as taught throughout the Bible.
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Is everyone saved in the millennial kingdom?

 

[Hammster]

That's a good question, nothing is written about what power that being actually has. It's not really a topic to dwell on.

It kinda is in this thread.

 

[d taylor]

Is everyone saved in the millennial kingdom?

No, a person has to a 100 years of age to trust in The Messiah for God's free gift of Eternal Life.

I will rejoice in Jerusalem,
And joy in My people;
The voice of weeping shall no longer be heard in her,
Nor the voice of crying.

“No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,
Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;
For the child shall die one hundred years old,
But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.
They shall build houses and inhabit them;
They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.

 

[returntosender]

You all are really confusing me. We all will be new creatures, free of sin.

 

[Hammster]

No, a person has to a 100 years of age to trust in The Messiah for God's free gift of Eternal Life.

I will rejoice in Jerusalem,
And joy in My people;
The voice of weeping shall no longer be heard in her,
Nor the voice of crying.

“No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,
Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;
For the child shall die one hundred years old,
But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.
They shall build houses and inhabit them;
They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.

You’ve really left the reservation here. But thanks for the input.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

It kinda is in this thread.

So the intention of this thread is to dwell on demonic power?

Sounds like the opposite of edifying. Thanks for the head's up.

Since the passage in question is ambiguous as to what this deception entails, it could really mean anything.

The no sin reality is when the old creation is completely incinerated, and only the new heaven and new earth remain. However, this is not the millennium.

 

[Hammster]

So the intention of this thread is to dwell on demonic power?

Sounds like the opposite of edifying. Thanks for the head's up.

Nope, not the intention.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Nope, not the intention.

You said it was, so you changed your mind.

Since the passage in question is ambiguous as to what this deception entails, it could really mean anything.

The no sin reality is when the old creation is completely incinerated, and only the new heaven and new earth remain. However, this is not the millennium.

 

[Hammster]

You said it was, so you changed your mind.

Since the passage in question is ambiguous as to what this deception entails, it could really mean anything.

The no sin reality is when the old creation is completely incinerated, and only the new heaven and new earth remain. However, this is not the millennium.

The thread is on the so-called millennium.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Because He will be physically present and reigning from Jerusalem and any sane person would be obedient.

So, with that being the case, why would a number "as the sand of the sea" rebel at the end of the thousand years? A huge number will go insane at that time? Just because of Satan being loosed? You apparently believe that Satan will have a bigger influence in a short time than Christ being physically present and reigning in Jerusalem for 1000 years will have. Please explain how that makes sense.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Because those survivors repented, they dropped the self serving ways of man for the will of God. Repentance means change of ways. They made a choice to live in a new world where self interest was no longer a thing and the oppression we once created was replaced by freedom. . It is the hope of the followers of Jesus. It was after all the original sin, putting our will ahead of God's, simply out of self interest. Any Christian should understand that basic principal as taught throughout the Bible.
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Why would a number of them "as the sand of the sea" decide to no longer follow Jesus at the end of that time? Wouldn't following Him for 1000 years and seeing how much better the world is with Him being there and leading it make them want to follow Him even more instead of rebelling against Him? Do you really think Satan would be able to change the minds of a number of people "as the sand of the sea" in a short time after they had just experienced bliss on the earth with Jesus for 1000 years?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

The Law has not yet been fulfilled but it will be in the millennium by Israel.

Can you elaborate on this? How will Israel fulfill the law?

Did you not know that we (believers, whether Jew or Gentile) fulfill the law by loving others?

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Take your spiritual mess and go preach that to someone else, i do not waste time on that junk.

This is a very disturbing statement from a Christian. The "spiritual mess" that you call "that junk" was a reference to Christ's spiritual kingdom. Why is it that you don't want to "waste time on" Christ's spiritual kingdom which He said "does not come with observation" (Luke 17:20) and "is not of this world" (John 18:36)? Do you have no interest in spiritual things?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

you think this a farce then think about how angels rebelled and the conditions they lived under? God wants people to choose him and these people will have more in common with the angelic rebellion than with what we have experienced.

There is a major difference here. The angels rebelled against God by wanting to do their own thing, but they didn't try to destroy Him. They would have known that isn't possible.

But, the premillennial understanding of Revelation 20:7-9 has a number of people "as the sand of the sea" rebelling and going out with the intention of destroying Christ and His people. How do people go from serving and getting to know Christ for 1000 years on the earth to wanting to destroy Him in a short amount of time? What is it that would make them want to do that? How would they even think they could destroy Him? Would they somehow not know that He is immortal?

 

[spiritfilledjm]

So, with that being the case, why would a number "as the sand of the sea" rebel at the end of the thousand years? A huge number will go insane at that time? Just because of Satan being loosed? You apparently believe that Satan will have a bigger influence in a short time than Christ being physically present and reigning in Jerusalem for 1000 years will have. Please explain how that makes sense.

The same way it made sense for the Israelites to do it repeatedly over their 40 years of wandering despite the fact that they had the cloud and the pillar of fire, manna, birds, and other signs and wonders that were done.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

So, with that being the case, why would a number "as the sand of the sea" rebel at the end of the thousand years? A huge number will go insane at that time? Just because of Satan being loosed? You apparently believe that Satan will have a bigger influence in a short time than Christ being physically present and reigning in Jerusalem for 1000 years will have. Please explain how that makes sense.

You do know that in heaven the angles who were in a perfect environment were tempted and 1/3 of them fell after being in the heavenly realm. Now in the millennium Jesus is ruling with the rod of iron and with little death and life spans greatly extended that will be a great many people at the end of the 1000 years. The passage notes that the nations which were deceived by Satan were no longer deceived until the 1000 years is over. And yes when he is loosed many will join and it will be fulfilled. God gives people a choice and for many the millennium was like being in a army with officers all around and they rule you for your good with right and just judgment but in their hearts they are not loyal. This test is designed by the LORD and many like the angels who fell will make a horrible choice. Think about it very few are there at the beginning of this and say you were born 500 years into it all that you would know is the way it is and has been. Suddenly like the Beatles and Rolling stones something new exciting and challenging the word of God and blaspheming the LORD will be set free. You know that there are many high up in the Masons that hold to the gnostic idea that Lucifer is the good guy who brought freedom and choice and Elohim was the bad guy keeping man from self realization and freedom. This will play out again. And if you consider your attitude you have made yourself a judge over what the word says because your logic says Satan cannot have a bigger influence rather than believing the word as it is written. This ultimately is your method picking symbols and making them agree with a line of thought that someone else actually formed for if say you had 1000 guys with Bibles and concordances and Bible dictionaries and no commentaries and left them for 50 years to study. There would be many literalist who come to many of the same conclusions. How many would come up with all your allegorical views? I suggest you have been led into this wind of doctrine. and we know no prophecy is of private interpretation as men spoke by the Holy Spirit.

Think of the volume of text you dismiss as not meaning what it actually says it is an incredible amount.

 

[d taylor]

Can you elaborate on this? How will Israel fulfill the law?

Did you not know that we (believers, whether Jew or Gentile) fulfill the law by loving others?

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

This is a very disturbing statement from a Christian. The "spiritual mess" that you call "that junk" was a reference to Christ's spiritual kingdom. Why is it that you don't want to "waste time on" Christ's spiritual kingdom which He said "does not come with observation" (Luke 17:20) and "is not of this world" (John 18:36)? Do you have no interest in spiritual things?

Because The Messiah's kingdom will be a physical literal kingdom here on the restored earth after the tribulation.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

The same way it made sense for the Israelites to do it repeatedly over their 40 years of wandering despite the fact that they had the cloud and the pillar of fire, manna, birds, and other signs and wonders that were done.

So, you're saying you think that will happen repeatedly during the 1000 years and not just when the thousand years are over?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

You do know that in heaven the angles who were in a perfect environment were tempted and 1/3 of them fell after being in the heavenly realm.

I addressed this in post #55 already.

Think of the volume of text you dismiss as not meaning what it actually says it is an incredible amount.

Such as? What does that mean for the text to "mean what it actually says", anyway? You act as if all scripture is meant to be interpreted literally, which is clearly not the case. Or are you looking out for a literal seven-headed, ten-horned beast to show up at some point?