Obedience in the millennial kingdom.

[Hammster]

The Law deals with sin.

That’s pretty obscure.

 

[Hammster]

Because anyone with a lick of sense that was still alive at the time would have come to realize that the ways of man that led to the turmoil pre thousand years were no match for the ways and will of God. Man's ways always leads to turmoil and repentance of those ways would lead to a culture more willing to leave those ways behind, politics, strife and greed a thing of the past and soon to be forgotten after this final test before the new Kingdom.

That sounds like a guess

 

[Hammster]

Hi Jesus will be king over all the earth and rule with judgment and justice when he takes over. Now Christ will have many others ruling with Him who he puts in positions of authority and these are Ressurected believers so with this authority righteous laws and strict enforcement will create a much different environment which will effect behavior. Now sin and rebellion begin in the heart and many will comply with a heart of rebellion. This is evident that when Satan is loosed that he can quickly gather an army that will rebel and be destroyed.


If you look a the cultural revolution that began in the 60's and compare today with where we came from we see a rapid change in morals values and behavior was achieved in a short time by removing god from schools and removing the Hayes code for censorship. So when the LORD is king this kind of change occurs and is enforced.

So they’ll be more obedient by force?

 

[timothyu]

That sounds like a guess

Hardly. Jesus taught us to repent of the self serving ways of man. He taught the ways of man were fruitless.

God made it clear:

Luke 16: 15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

James 1:27 Pure and undefiled religion before our God and Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

 

[Hammster]

If Christ is reigning then obviously there won't be a corrupt government since Christ will be the head of the theocracy. To suggest His government will be corrupt in some way is blasphemy

It looks as if you are saying that a non-corrupt government will lead to obedience. Is that correct?

 

[Hammster]

Hardly. Jesus taught us to repent of the self serving ways of man. He taught the ways of man were fruitless.

God made it clear:

Luke 16: 15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

James 1:27 Pure and undefiled religion before our God and Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

So why will men be obedient then when they aren’t now?

 

[timothyu]

So why will men be obedient then when they aren’t now?

Because those survivors repented, they dropped the self serving ways of man for the will of God. Repentance means change of ways. They made a choice to live in a new world where self interest was no longer a thing and the oppression we once created was replaced by freedom. . It is the hope of the followers of Jesus. It was after all the original sin, putting our will ahead of God's, simply out of self interest. Any Christian should understand that basic principal as taught throughout the Bible.
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[sovereigngrace]

The self serving ways which man has built this world in our own image upon, will be destroyed. What will that leave them?

A new perfect regenerated earth full of glorified saints alone.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Why will the devil being restrained lead to more obedience? Does he make you sin right now?

That's a good question, nothing is written about what power that being actually has. It's not really a topic to dwell on.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Really? We are in 7021 then. Of course, Premils normally adjust their extra-biblical theories every time they fall apart. When AD500 didn't work out it was AD1000. Then it was AD2000. What next?

I'm just looking at signs and fulfillments on this parallel of interpretation. The decaying universe and its way of keeping time doesn't concern me as much since the calendar in the days of the apostles was 5 days shorter.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Because those survivors repented, they dropped the self serving ways of man for the will of God. Repentance means change of ways. They made a choice to live in a new world where self interest was no longer a thing and the oppression we once created was replaced by freedom. . It is the hope of the followers of Jesus. It was after all the original sin, putting our will ahead of God's, simply out of self interest. Any Christian should understand that basic principal as taught throughout the Bible.
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How about starting in Revelation 20 and working out to show us where actually teaches this in the inspired pages? I am seeing zero Scripture here.

 

[timothyu]

A new perfect regenerated earth full of glorified saints alone.

Or on a more humble note not making everything about us, a world that runs on God's will, not ours. The same way it ran when God lived among men previously but this time without the ability to serve self as those past communities had.

 

[timothyu]

How about starting in Revelation 20 and working out to show us where actually teaches this in the inspired pages? I am seeing zero Scripture here.

As I said, the will of man over the will of God is no more and the Tempter is removed (also the adversarial spirit of man by choice reversing the choice Eve made). It was Jesus' Gospel of the Kingdom, the governance of God rather than the governance of man. He called it good news and the oppressed were the first to agree. His gospel of the Kingdom is mentioned at least 70 times in the NT and Paul mentions teaching it continually at least three times in Acts. See#24 for other scriptures that separate man's will and God's.

 

[d taylor]

That’s pretty obscure.

The Law has not yet been fulfilled but it will be in the millennium by Israel.

Tell that to the one, that after calling a person a fool, they will be facing the lake of fire.

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.

Why do you think at the end of the millennium, satan has so many followers after being ruled for a 1000 years with an iron rule, people (gentile non believers) will be ready to try and get rid of The Messiah.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Or on a more humble note not making everything about us, a world that runs on God's will, not ours. The same way it ran when God lived among men previously but this time without the ability to serve self as those past communities had.

But what about the billions of millennial inheritors (as the sand of the sea) that turn on Jesus and follow Satan after 1000 years of perfect righteous rule? They supposedly observe countless millions of us glorified saints operating perfectly and they think it is cool to follow Satan? This whole portrayal is a farce. These must be the most deluded humans that ever set foot on planet earth.

 

[sovereigngrace]

The Law has not yet been fulfilled but it will be in the millennium by Israel.

Tell that to the one, that after calling a person a fool, they will be facing the lake of fire.

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.

Why do you think at the end of the millennium, satan has so many followers after being ruled for a 1000 years with an iron rule, people (gentile non believers) will be ready to try and get rid of The Messiah.

The whole Premil millennial kingdom is saturated in deception. Billions purport to follow Christ change sides at the very sight of Satan. This must be the most deluded company ever to adorn planet earth. The Premil kingdom is overrun by countless Judas'. The peace in view exists exclusively within the spiritual kingdom of Christ that was introduced to the earth 2000 years ago, and pertains to only those who are born again. Not your alleged future MK full of billions of closet Satanists who embrace their Master Satan when he appears.

 

[timothyu]

But what about the billions of millennials

Look at how the US'ers sleepily followed the same old political system for decades thinking by tradition it was the only way.. then Trump comes along and shakes things up. How is that different. A change always shakes up the status quo and the same will hold true with the Adversary making a final appearance to weed out the last of the chafe.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Look at how the US'ers sleepily followed the same old political system for decades thinking by tradition it was the only way.. then Trump comes along and shakes things up. How is that different. A change always shakes up the status quo and the same will hold true with the Adversary making a final appearance to weed out the last of the chafe.

Oh, so your millennial earth is just a mere re-run of today? It is the same-old same-old.

 

[d taylor]

The whole Premil millennial kingdom is saturated in deception. Billions purport to follow Christ change sides at the very sight of Satan. This must be the most deluded company ever to adorn planet earth. The Premil kingdom is overrun by countless Judas'. The peace in view exists exclusively within the spiritual kingdom of Christ that was introduced to the earth 2000 years ago, and pertains to only those who are born again. Not your alleged future MK full of billions of closet Satanists who embrace their Master Satan when he appears.

Take your spiritual mess and go preach that to someone else, i do not waste time on that junk.

 

[timothyu]

Oh, so your millennial earth is just a mere re-run of today? It is the same-old same-old.

Today people ignore the effects of the ways of man. They pay lip service to seeking a better world but no one demands the self serving ways and oppression as a result stops (unless of course there is profit to be made.) But what do you think the attitudes will be of an already completely oppressed world after witnessing man's governance turning on the governance of God in order to protect it's old ways? Will out true selves be exposed?