Obama pro/con (2)

[Panzerkamfwagen]

Obama has denounced the man's remarks over and over during this election. That should be the end of the issue.
Ringo

He didn't denounce the guy until his campaign started to get bad mojo, so meh.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

Here is an interesting article about Obama's experience in the Chicago machine.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

#762: Wright isn't the one who said 9E was our foreign policies chickens coming home to roost. That's just an example of the dishonest propaganda taking hold and iam not saying 'ACougar' is knowingly passing bad info but I would suggest research before repeating something like that just so the mis-information can be disabused.

 

[Ringo84]

He didn't denounce the guy until his campaign started to get bad mojo, so meh.

Doesn't matter. He denounced the man's remarks. That should be the end of it.
Ringo

 

[Voegelin]

Wright suprisingly did quite well and I also applaud him for that.

Joe Klein, writing in Time Magazine today, has a different take on Rev Wright's recent public appearances:

Oy.

And furthermore, I've been to dozens and dozens of African-American church services over the years, including the investiture of one of my friends as an AME minister two years ago, and I have very rarely, if ever, heard the kind of rants that are part of Reverend Wright's canon . . .

Wright's purpose now seems quite clear: to aggrandize himself--the guy is going to be a go-to mainstream media source for racial extremist spew, the next iteration of Al Sharpton--and destroy Barack Obama . . .

 

[Ringo84]

Joe Klein, writing in Time Magazine today, has a different take on Rev Wright's recent public appearances:

Perhaps in the eyes of those who weren't going to vote for Obama in the first place.
Ringo

 

[Voegelin]

Perhaps in the eyes of those who weren't going to vote for Obama in the first place.
Ringo

Here is another liberal at Time Magazine who I guess wasn't going to vote for Obama in the first place:

Maybe Barack Obama skimped on his contribution when the offering plate came past at Trinity United Church of Christ. Or perhaps he nodded off during one of Rev. Jeremiah Wright's sermons. It's hard to think of another reason why the Illinois Senator's former pastor would put on the kind of performance this morning at the National Press Club that can only be described as a political disaster . . .

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1735662,00.html

I seem to recall almost everyone on the left and in the mainstream media being for Obama a few months ago... which was rather frustrating to those of us who were trying to warn people that behind the empty rhetoric about "change" and "hope" there was a Barack Hussein Obama who would never be acceptable to the vast majority of the American public.

So....let me be the first to say:

"We Told You So"

 

[Ringo84]

Here is another liberal at Time Magazine who I guess wasn't going to vote for Obama in the first place:



I seem to recall almost everyone on the left and in the mainstream media being for Obama a few months ago... which was rather frustrating to those of us who were trying to warn people that behind the empty rhetoric about "change" and "hope" there was a Barack Hussein Obama who would never be acceptable to the vast majority of the American public.

So....let me be the first to say:

"We Told You So"

Here is another liberal at Time Magazine who I guess wasn't going to vote for Obama in the first place:

I'm not talking about some liberal at Time. I'm talking about you.

the left

The left what? There is no "The Left" - only single liberals thinking and acting independently.

which was rather frustrating to those of us who were trying to warn people that behind the empty rhetoric about "change" and "hope" there was a Barack Hussein Obama who would never be acceptable to the vast majority of the American public.

You say that, but in lieu of arguments about Obama's platform, we've heard about non-issues like flag lapel pins and Wright instead. So I don't think you have much authority to talk about "empty rhetoric".

"We Told You So"

I wonder if the smugness will last through Obama's inauguration....
Ringo

 

[Voegelin]

Obama is out today saying in reply to his pastor's lastest speeches that, once again, these "are not statements that I have heard him make previously"

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/obama_judge_me_by_my_words_not.html

How is it that many of us knew a year ago what Rev. Wright is all about but Barack Hussein Obama, who has given Wright over $27,000, is just now finding out how extreme he is?

 

[Ringo84]

Obama is out today saying in reply to his pastor's lastest speeches that, once again, these "are not statements that I have heard him make previously"

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/obama_judge_me_by_my_words_not.html

How is it that many of us knew a year ago what Rev. Wright is all about but Barack Hussein Obama, who has given Wright over $27,000, is just now finding out how extreme he is?

Perhaps the sermons that have been targeted by the news are the exception and not the rule.

But more importantly: who cares?
Ringo

 

[fated]

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0428/p02s02-uspo.html?page=2

McCain fleshes out his economic plan

His challenge is to appeal both to the GOP's tax-cutting faithful and to independents and moderates.



While he seems more principled than his opponents, I think he's let some of his principals slide too far... For instance, the tax cuts may still be to expensive... one could roll them back for higher incomes... increase the Medicare tax caps rather than freeze spending... determine a reasonable retirement savings and create a capital gains taxed based on that... move the alternative minimum tax back into the higher incomes...

Or, of course, propose a flat tax and let people with little income be exempt. That wouldn't solve all the other taxes and tariffs leveled on the poor, but it would put some of the structure in place to do so...

 

[ews]

I wonder if the smugness will last through Obama's inauguration....
Ringo

If Omama is inaugurated does that mean Rev. Wright was right, it is G.D. America!!

The worst person is put there to handle Health Care.
The worst person is put there to handle the mid-East.
The worst person is put there to handle the economy.
Etc., etc., etc.

We’ll all be in a world of hurt. Let us all…

 

[fated]

Senators and Representatives could get voted out if they balanced the budget, but I doubt the president would...

Awww.... it's so hard to balance a budget... awww...

The candidate make a big hurrah about a balanced budget... everyone wants to know who is going to get the short end of the stick. We, it looks like, have reached a point where we aren't going to "grow into" our budget in a reasonable amount of time. So, the best candidate is the one that cuts the pork and excess spending the most...

 

[ews]

But more importantly: who cares?
Ringo

Many people care! People cared about John F. Kennedy’s religion and they cared up until they walked into the voting booth. People will care about Barack Obama’s religion too. Nothing you can say to change their minds. We will know in November what the people think.

 

[Ringo84]

If Omama is inaugurated does that mean Rev. Wright was right, it is G.D. America!!

The worst person is put there to handle Health Care.
The worst person is put there to handle the mid-East.
The worst person is put there to handle the economy.
Etc., etc., etc.

We’ll all be in a world of hurt. Let us all…

The worst person is put there to handle Health Care.
The worst person is put there to handle the mid-East.
The worst person is put there to handle the economy.
Etc., etc., etc.

Prove it.

Many people care! People cared about John F. Kennedy’s religion and they cared up until they walked into the voting booth. People will care about Barack Obama’s religion too. Nothing you can say to change their minds. We will know in November what the people think.

People thought that Kennedy would be taking orders directly from the Vatican. When that didn't happen, the naysayers all had egg on their faces. The same will happen with Obama.
Ringo

 

[ImmortalTechnique]

If Omama is inaugurated does that mean Rev. Wright was right, it is G.D. America!!

The worst person is put there to handle Health Care.
The worst person is put there to handle the mid-East.
The worst person is put there to handle the economy.
Etc., etc., etc.

We’ll all be in a world of hurt. Let us all…

I take pretty strong exception to this, given that McCain doesn't HAVE a real health care plan, and Hillary's record on health care is one of massive failure.

Add to that the fact that McCain and Hillary both think that sabre rattling and joking about war with Iran are good Middle East policy...

Add to that the fact that McCain and Hillary BOTH pander on the economy without seeming to have any grasp of the effects of their policy proposals (such as a freeze on gas taxes which wouldn't change prices at the pump, but would pour tons more profits into the oil companies)

It seems like you're pretty much wrong on all these policy issues. It appears that this is personal, and people are casting about to try and find a valid policy issue so they don't appear as petty

 

[MacCoyle]

I take pretty strong exception to this, given that McCain doesn't HAVE a real health care plan, and Hillary's record on health care is one of massive failure.

As a son of healthcare providers (psycologists) Ive had to hear about this my whole life. That is partially why I am against Universal Healthcare.

 

[mpok1519]

Macain = too old

 

[ews]

People thought that Kennedy would be taking orders directly from the Vatican. When that didn't happen, the naysayers all had egg on their faces. The same will happen with Obama.
Ringo

And that is your opinion and this is the place, a message board for you to express that opinion.

 

[Ringo84]

And that is your opinion and this is the place, a message board for you to express that opinion.

My opinion perhaps, but it was the exact same type of guilt-by-association that we are seeing in this election. The only difference is that the Pope hasn't made controversial remarks.

Kennedy didn't have to distance himself from the Pope. He proved, through his actions in office, that he didn't receive orders straight from the Vatican.
Ringo