Obama in Violation of the First Amendment

[JustOneWay]

Obvious to me too. The doubt standard is wearisome isn't it? Conservative Christians mention faith in the political arena and the constitution is being shredded, "theocrats" are on the march, the republic is in danger.

Liberal Christians mix religion and politics and....well...no first amendment problems there...what you talking about the first amendment for? Why you use that headline? It's misleading!

I knew immediately why you used that headline and I am certain everyone else does too: not to mislead but to expose the double standard.

There is no double standard.

Both political parties use churches to speak, and both sides criticize each other. This time it is the republicans turn to criticize the democrats. Next time it may be flipped.

Both parties damage the church. Too bad the partisans don't notice.

 

[Ringo84]

Obvious to me too. The doubt standard is wearisome isn't it? Conservative Christians mention faith in the political arena and the constitution is being shredded, "theocrats" are on the march, the republic is in danger.

Liberal Christians mix religion and politics and....well...no first amendment problems there...what you talking about the first amendment for? Why you use that headline? It's misleading!

I knew immediately why you used that headline and I am certain everyone else does too: not to mislead but to expose the double standard.

Did you not read my post? I agreed with you for once.

No more of your generalizations!
Ringo

 

[Billnew]

Did anyone clearify the first amendment violation?

Lets see:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Obama spoke(free speech) he spoke at a church(free speech), he assembled peaceably, Can someone highlight the violation?

LIke I said before, I think campaign finance and restrictions on tax exempt status might be violated.
I know republicans have been accused of violations,
but they need to be backed up.

Obama attends a Black power church regularly. As someone else has posted. I guess race powered christians are still
christians....but seem to put some bloackades up in worshipping Jesus.

 

[ParsonJefferson]

Did anyone clearify the first amendment violation?

Lets see:


Obama spoke(free speech) he spoke at a church(free speech), he assembled peaceably, Can someone highlight the violation?

LIke I said before, I think campaign finance and restrictions on tax exempt status might be violated.
I know republicans have been accused of violations,
but they need to be backed up.

What I find "interesting" about this is what we see every election season.

Democrats tend to complain about Republicans catering to the Religious Right, yet it is expected that Democrat candidates will be at - and often speak at - black churches.

I don't get it.

If it's wrong for Republicans to cater to certain groups of church people, why is it okay for Demcrats to cater to other groups of church people?

 

[KarateCowboy]

D00000D! Obama is right wing religious fanatic who wants to force Christianity on the US


I'm totally voting for him.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Did you not read my post? I agreed with you for once.

No more of your generalizations!
Ringo

Indeed.

Generalizations are required for the ascertainment of wisdom.

I vote we ban them.

 

[dignitized]

D00000D! Obama is right wing religious fanatic who wants to force Christianity on the US


I'm totally voting for him.

You sir are the master! lol

 

[Nathan Poe]

Obvious to me too. The doubt standard is wearisome isn't it? Conservative Christians mention faith in the political arena and the constitution is being shredded, "theocrats" are on the march, the republic is in danger.

Liberal Christians mix religion and politics and....well...no first amendment problems there...what you talking about the first amendment for? Why you use that headline? It's misleading!

I knew immediately why you used that headline and I am certain everyone else does too: not to mislead but to expose the double standard.

So, when did it become illegal to campaign in a church? I missed the memo.

 

[ParsonJefferson]

So, when did it become illegal to campaign in a church? I missed the memo.

When the Republicans started doing it too...

 

[Nathan Poe]

When the Republicans started doing it too...

Has a Republican ever been arrested for this? I must've missed that memo as well.

I mean, sure, nobody very much likes it when a politician harlots him/herself out to special interests, putting on a fake show of sincerity and pretending to care about their agenda, but there's a word for that -- campaigning.

When did that become illegal, and not just nauseating?

 

[ParsonJefferson]

Has a Republican ever been arrested for this? I must've missed that memo as well.

I mean, sure, nobody very much likes it when a politician harlots him/herself out to special interests, putting on a fake show of sincerity and pretending to care about their agenda, but there's a word for that -- campaigning.

When did that become illegal, and not just nauseating?

Like I said earlier - when Republicans started doing it too.

 

[vatuck]

Has a Republican ever been arrested for this? I must've missed that memo as well.

I mean, sure, nobody very much likes it when a politician harlots him/herself out to special interests, putting on a fake show of sincerity and pretending to care about their agenda, but there's a word for that -- campaigning.

When did that become illegal, and not just nauseating?

They don't arrest people for it, I don't think. I think what happens is that the church loses its tax exempt status. Someone correct me if I am in error. I think that's that way it works.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Like I said earlier - when Republicans started doing it too.

When was it written into law? By whom?

 

[Nathan Poe]

They don't arrest people for it, I don't think. I think what happens is that the church loses its tax exempt status. Someone correct me if I am in error. I think that's that way it works.

I know that a religious organization can lose its tax exempt status by becoming too entangled in politics -- Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition is an example of that, IIRC, but that was because Robertson himself ran for president.

One would think that churches didn't have to bar politicians at the door.

 

[KarateCowboy]

You sir are the master! lol

Yes. Kneel, suckers! I am totally oligarching this place. Just don't cross me or I'll send 300 after you. And remember

 

[vatuck]

I know that a religious organization can lose its tax exempt status by becoming too entangled in politics -- Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition is an example of that, IIRC, but that was because Robertson himself ran for president.

One would think that churches didn't have to bar politicians at the door.

Well, if they don't, they are going to lose half their congregation. Not all Christians think alike, and I would be beyond offended it someone came in my church sucking up. It's disgusting.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Well, if they don't, they are going to lose half their congregation. Not all Christians think alike, and I would be beyond offended it someone came in my church sucking up. It's disgusting.

I'm offended when politicians go anywhere sucking up -- especially when it's so obviously insincere.

Sadly, that's how the game is played -- "Ok George, shake their hands, kiss their babies, and for God's sake, get it right this time!"

 

[vatuck]

I'm offended when politicians go anywhere sucking up -- especially when it's so obviously insincere.

Sadly, that's how the game is played -- "Ok George, shake their hands, kiss their babies, and for God's sake, get it right this time!"

Me too. You can see all the way through them. It's so obvious. I can't even watch the reports/news concerning the presidential campaign right now. I feel like it's bad enough that I have to watch them suck up the year of the election, but to have to do it an extra year is just more than I can take.

 

[ParsonJefferson]

When was it written into law? By whom?

That's my whole point.

Why is it that you Democrats have spent so much time screaming and yelling about the Christian Coalition, Moral Majority, etc. - as if it's only the Republicans that are using churches to buy votes from Christians?

Both parties have been doing it for decades. Why is it that we only hear the Democrats complaining?

 

[KomissarSteve]

That's my whole point.

No, clearly it's not your "whole point"; otherwise, you wouldn't have claimed that it became illegal to campaign in a church when Republicans started doing it.

Why is it that you Democrats have spent so much time screaming and yelling about the Christian Coalition, Moral Majority, etc. - as if it's only the Republicans that are using churches to buy votes from Christians?

Because Republican candidates have, in recent history, had their voting numbers buoyed by those only interested in voting for the candidate who most closely fit their extremely narrow brand of Christianity. Democrats don't do that. That's a purely right-wing phenomenon.