doesn't matter to the question when or how, only thing that matters right now is your answer to the question.
He is discussing business owners, not groups of homosexuals.
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doesn't matter to the question when or how, only thing that matters right now is your answer to the question.
so, you want me to answer your questions even though you refuse to answer mine? I think not. You have been rude enough to me that I think it is time for you to answer the question, then I will oblige by answering yours....that gives you less opportunity to twist things into things not said and then use that twist to make some stupid point that is not relevant to the discussion. You first....Two questions:
Do you have an example, of homosexuals discriminating against the constitutional rights of a religious group? And please support how you feel it is discriminating against a religious groups rights.
Are you one, that feels religious rights given to us by the constitution, are "limitless" rights? Yes, or no.
cool, how about a homosexual business owner? Same question, different wording, no problemHe is discussing business owners, not groups of homosexuals.
so, you want me to answer your questions even though you refuse to answer mine? I think not. You have been rude enough to me that I think it is time for you to answer the question, then I will oblige by answering yours....that gives you less opportunity to twist things into things not said and then use that twist to make some stupid point that is not relevant to the discussion. You first....
oh man that isn't even remotely close to what I said...ignoring until you are ready to deal with what I said.
cool, how about a homosexual business owner? Same question, different wording, no problem
And you know what, if I was running for president (and I am a woman) I would be thrilled to have my birth certificate scrutinized for authenticity cause I don't have anything to hide. Question away...it's part of being in the public eye.
You have been rude enough to me that I think it is time for you to answer the question, .
First off, when else have we ever scrutinized a candidates birth certificate? Second, the birth certificate was a matter of public record. Everyone was free to get a copy from Hawaii who wanted one. Even when the state of Hawaii repeatedly said that Obama was born there, they refused to accept it.
does this include groups like homosexuals discriminating against the constitutional rights of a religious group?
we already talked about this and you didn't give an answer, so why bring it up again?
BTW, both are participating on the same level as a business, and both are allowing their reputation to be attached to the event.
but that is your call, which is the whole entire point...you get to decide if you will cater to a wedding that serves alcohol...
.but like I could start a cake company that catered only to homosexual weddings.
Muslims are subject to the same secular, civil and criminal laws as everyone else, so no, a halal bakery should not be allowed to refuse to bake cakes for gay weddings - provided that baking wedding cakes is part of their ordinary business.
the quote was previous to the matter in question which is why I did not comment. If you can't deal with following the discussion, why are you here?I quoted what you said. If you can't deal with people repeating your own words back to you, why are you here?
first, the issue is one of natural born citizen, second, the courts didn't rule that harm had to be shown...not sure how many times I can point out to you that I became suspicious when the court ruling didn't reflect constitutional understanding, but hey seems to be a pattern on this thread.First off, when else have we ever scrutinized a candidates birth certificate? Why weren't you scrutinizing McCain's birth certificate? We know he wasn't born in the US!
Like I said, that wasn't my issue, so I'm not sure what you want to talk about on the matter.Second, the birth certificate was a matter of public record. Everyone was free to get a copy from Hawaii who wanted one. Even when the state of Hawaii repeatedly said that Obama was born there, they refused to accept it.
It's nice that your children have birth certificates, but many people, especially older people, do not and never did.Got two stories for you....first, my grandmothers paperwork was lost, the originals were not available because of fire. She needed evidence of birth, there were several ways for her to get that evidence and provide it, which took some doing, but she did. I know more about lost paperwork than you might think, but we aren't talking about lost paperwork and the discrepancies wouldn't have been a problem for me without the courts saying, need to prove harm. Which makes all of this kind of meaningless to what I said.
Second story, the last two of our children were born at home, and they have birth certificates. It's part of the government process and the funny thing is, there are less things on their certificates that could throw up red flags than on mine which does have an error.
What mechanism would you have to provide 30 million people the chance to scrutinize your birth certificate?And you know what, if I was running for president (and I am a woman) I would be thrilled to have my birth certificate scrutinized for authenticity cause I don't have anything to hide. Question away...it's part of being in the public eye.
wait, who is refusing to bake a cake for any belief? We are talking about refusing to bake a cake for an event we don't believe in. If a homosexual bakery wanted to refuse to bake a cake for say, a religious group that was holding a special service to speak out against homosexuality. Would the honosexual baker have the right to not participate in the event by not baking the cake? remember, the event is in direct disagreement of what the baker believes and lives out.Yes. If a homosexual bakery owner were to refuse to sell a cake to someone because of their religion the exact same rules would apply.
wait, who is refusing to bake a cake for any belief? We are talking about refusing to bake a cake for an event we don't believe in. If a homosexual bakery wanted to refuse to bake a cake for say, a religious group that was holding a special service to speak out against homosexuality. Would the honosexual baker have the right to not participate in the event by not baking the cake? remember, the event is in direct disagreement of what the baker believes and lives out.
wait, who is refusing to bake a cake for any belief? We are talking about refusing to bake a cake for an event we don't believe in. If a homosexual bakery wanted to refuse to bake a cake for say, a religious group that was holding a special service to speak out against homosexuality. Would the honosexual baker have the right to not participate in the event by not baking the cake? remember, the event is in direct disagreement of what the baker believes and lives out.
Do you believe that honor killings are okay if they happen at home and not in public?
You just proclaimed religious freedom at home. or how about animal sacrifices at home?
I grew up not far from a heavily Satanic community in which you could see satanic symbols on roads and such, occasionally it would hit the news that suspicious carcasses would be found...
does that also mean (IN your eyes) that every business owner must cater to all events, for example a KKK rally?
If I am asked to bake a cake for a KKK rally, do I have the right to say that as someone who does not believe in hate due to race, I will not bake a cake for the KKK or a Nazi rally of some kind?
It seems to me (my opinion) that you are missing some key points in this discussion, answering the questions should clarify if you are or if you really don't believe in liberty for all people