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It's not lifestyle. Again you are just inventing stuff in never said. It's about what we believe. You can not seriously believe an atheist is going to inherit eternal life when the Bible so clearly says otherwise. It's like you take calvinist thinking to the nth degree then claim you aren't one.See. More lifestyle. However, please examine the context of what "to the end" refers to. It is the Tribulation. Has NOTHING to do with keeping salvation.
How sad. You just can't let go of lifestyle, can you.
When Jesus gives the gift of eternal life, He SAYS they SHALL NEVER PERISH.
But you actually refuse to
Who will never perish in John 10?Rather, you are just NOT grasping the point. Of course eternal life isn't applied or given to unbelievers. Jesus gives the gift WHEN a person DOES believe. Can you comprehend this very simple point? Seems not.
And WHEN Jesus gives the gift, Jesus SAYS they shall never perish.
How can that be true since Jesus Himself SAID some "believe for a while" in Luke 8:13.
If the Bible did teach that, then what Jesus said cannot be true.
Well, since you have stubbornly refuted to believe what Jesus said, or even try to understand what He said in John 10:28, of course you won't find it in Scripture. But it is there. John 10:28 is simply the clearest one.
Jesus couldn't have made it any more clear. He gives eternal life and the recipients shall never perish.
See? Nothing about lifestyle. No conditions to recipients. Once given, they shall never perish.
But your eyes and ears are not open. You seem to NOT want to believe it. So you don't.
We can "fall from grace"How about this: just cite what you think is a loss of salvation verse, so I can see for myself why you think salvation can be lost.
Oh, please stop. You KEEP bringing in lifestyle.It's not lifestyle. Again you are just inventing stuff in never said.
Now you're trying to change the goal posts. "inheriting eternal life" is DIFFERENT than receiving the gift of eternal life.It's about what we believe. You can not seriously believe an atheist is going to inherit eternal life when the Bible so clearly says otherwise
Hardly. I have verses that totally support my beliefs. Unlike yourself.It's like you take calvinist thinking to the nth degree then claim you aren't one.
Recipients of the gift, that's who. Jesus was real clear.Who will never perish in John 10?
Read it again. Jesus didn't say "the sheep" as you claim. He said HIS sheep. He died for THE sheep, which is everyone, but in the context above, He was specifically referring to HIS sheep.A little context:
"Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand."
The sheep.
Why do you ignore John 5:24, which is the verse that tells us WHEN a person receives the gift? Believers possess (have) the gift. So, it is WHEN a person becomes a believer that they receive the gift. So John 10:28 is about recipients of the gift, not about their lifestyle. As much as that must really bother you.Not the former sheep that no longer believe.
In fact, they were NEVER His sheep. That's the point.And if you think this cannot change, note that Jesus said that those present were not his sheep.
The verses you just quoted do NOT support your presumption.And yet at the later in the chapter:
"But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp."
Obviously one can go from non sheep to sheep and vice versa.
I may have missed them. But you're trying really hard to NOT have to share them again.Because you didn't read them of course.
Yes, we can. The Bible says so. But the Bible does NOT say that we can lose salvation.We can "fall from grace"
There are NO verses that say that. You are expressing your presumption. Why didn't you quote Rom 11:18-22 if you were so confident?Gal. 5:1- We can be "cut off" from salvation (Rom. 11:18-22)
If you would read that verse carefully you would realize that John was using a literary technique called "litotes". Look it up.and have our names removed from the Lamb's Book of Life (Rev. 22:19)
I did earlier and you ignored itThere are NO verses that say that. You are expressing your presumption. Why didn't you quote Rom 11:18-22 if you were so confident?
Uh no. We can only understand the parables that He explained to His disciples. Not the "'rest of them", as you presume.
This is all just immaterial. You've certainly been under pastors from whom you've been taught. Or admit you never go to church or ever read any Christian literature or hear any Christian radio or TV programs.
You have been taught what Arminians believe. That's the point.
The central feature of Arminianism is that salvation can be lost.
If your beliefs are biblically correct, how come you CAN'T quote a verse that says in plain language (no parables, metaphors, figures of speech) that salvation can be lost.
No, I believe that if we do not remain faithful after salvation until physical death, Jesus SAID we will lose that salvation.You think the Bible teaches that salvation can be lost IN SPITE OF all that Jesus taught, esp about recipients of eternal life, about whom He said THEY SHALL NEVER PERISH.
It is NOT about lifestyle. Salvation is about receiving the gift of eternal life.
Your mistake is thinking that belief must continue in order for salvation to continue.Where? I never once brought up anything but belief. Not once did I say some certain sin would cause you to lose salvation.
And I can't make you open your eyes and focus and open your ears and pay attention either.I have yet to see one.
I must have been tired of having to repeat myself. This is always the "go-to" passage for those who refuse to believe John 5:24 and 10:28.I did earlier and you ignored it
Right. But you presume to be "cut off" means spiritual death. But it CAN'T mean that."If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either."
Clear as day. We can be cut off for unbelief.
John 3:18 is present tense. And in the Thess chapter believers are told to stand firm. I wonder why?You treat a former believer as a NON-believer. But, as I've repeatedly shown you, both John 3:18 and 2 Thess 2:12 teach that condemnation is for those who "have not believed", which means "have NEVER believed".
Oh get real. The passage is about salvation. What else could it mean? You are twisting scripture.In the meantime, I will point out that the phrase "cut off" was used in the OT for separation from society for certain behaviors. It may even refer to physical death. But there's just NO parallel to spiritual death.
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