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[Light of the East]

NT didactics present only one age to come, which is never-ending.
They allow for no other age to follow.

Wrong yet again.

Revelation 22:5 καὶ νὺξ οὐκ ἔσται ἐκει, καὶ χρείαν οὐκ ἔχουσιν λύχνου καὶ φωτὸς ἡλίου ὅτι κύριος ὁ θεὸς φωτίζει αὐτούς καὶ βασιλεύσουσιν εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων

You really should learn a little Greek. I know a little Greek. He's a tailor down on Main Street.

 

[1213]

There are three biblical, but conflicting, doctrinal views of the final judgment.
1) Damnationism
2) Annihilationism
3) Universal Restorationism

Please show the scriptures that are in contradiction with this:

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt. 10:28

 

[Saint Steven]

You're missing the most glorious part of that verse: even the damned will agree with God at the Judgment. . .they won't love him, but they'll agree (confess) that he is right and just.

That's not what it means.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

 

[Saint Steven]

Okay. . .in NT didactics, the age to come is unending in the new creation.

And this remains:

In light of Mk 9:43, 44, 46, 48; Mt 3:12; Rev 14:11, 19:2, 3,
where Jesus presents unending fire and torment (Mk 9:48: Rev 14:11), and
which are the authority for all translation of "eternal" life, "eternal" death, and "eternal" fire,
the above is precisely true.

What do you love most about hell? (since you are fighting tooth and nail to preserve it)

 

[Saint Steven]

Gentiles as well as Jews.

That would be everyone. If you aren't a Jew, you are a gentile.

 

[Saint Steven]

All who are in Christ will be made alive. . .at the resurrection at the end of time, followed by the everlasting age of the new creation.

By definition, no age is eternal. Each age has a beginning and an end.

 

[Saint Steven]

Please show the scriptures that are in contradiction with this:

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt. 10:28

Here are a few Universalist scriptures. What you posted is Damnationism. (obviously)
Also, there is a whole long list of Bibles/NTs that do not include the word hell. I'll provide that as well. Thanks.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Romans 5:15-16
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven,
by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

1 Timothy 2:1-6
I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

Bibles that do NOT contain the word "Hell".

Wesley's New Testament (1755)
Scarlett's N.T. (1798)
The New Testament in Greek and English (Kneeland, 1823)
Young's Literal Translation (1891)
Twentieth Century New Testament (1900)
Rotherham's Emphasized Bible (reprinted, 1902)
Fenton's Holy Bible in Modern English (1903)
Weymouth's New Testament in Modern Speech (1903)
The New Testament, James Moffat, (1917)
Jewish Publication Society Bible Old Testament (1917)
Panin's Numeric English New Testament (1914)
The New Testament, Charles B. Williams, 1937
The People's New Covenant (Overbury, 1925)
Hanson's New Covenant (1884)
Western N.T. (1926)
NT of our Lord and Savior Anointed (Tomanek, 1958)
Concordant Literal NT (1983)
The N.T., A Translation (Clementson, 1938)
Emphatic Diaglott, Greek/English Interlinear (Wilson, 1942)
New American Bible (1970)
Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible (1976)
Tanakh, The Holy Scriptures, Old Testament (1985)
The New Testament, A New Translation (Greber, 1980)
Christian Bible (1991)
The Scriptures (1993)
World English Bible (in progress)
Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha [NT Only]
Original Bible Project (Dr. James Tabor, still in translation)
Zondervan Parallel N.T. in Greek and English (1975)**
Int. NASB-NIV Parallel N.T. in Greek and English (1993)**
A Critical Paraphrase of the N.T. by Vincent T. Roth (1960)
New Testament, Recovery Version, Living Stream Ministry, 1991
New American Bible Revised Edition (NABRE) Roman Catholic
Holy Bible In Its Original Order, Fred R. Coulter, 2007
Etymological N.T. (An Ultra Literal Translation, 2011, Michael Wine)
Aramaic Peshitta New Testament, 2006, Janet M. Magiera
MirrorWord N.T. (Francois du Toit) still in translation
Victorious Gospel of Jesus Christ, Electronic Ver. (Tentmaker Ministries)
The Source N.T. (Dr. Ann Nyland), 2004, 2007
Jonathan Mitchell N.T. (Jonathan Mitchell) 2009
Tree of Life Version, Baker Bookhouse, 2016******
The New Testament (David Bentley Hart) Yale University Press, 2017

Saint Steven said: ↑
There are three biblical, but conflicting, doctrinal views of the final judgment.
1) Damnationism
2) Annihilationism
3) Universal Restorationism

 

[Clare73]

That's not what it means.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

That is exactly what I am talking about.

"God will be vindicated when he judges." (Ro 3:4)

 

[Clare73]

What do you love most about hell? (since you are fighting tooth and nail to preserve it)

Your reference point is most interesting.
One defends Scripture, not because it is true, but because one likes it.
And the corollary: if one doesn't like it, one tries to unseat it.

Strange world. . .

Am I fighting tooth and nail for hell, or for faithfulness to the Word of God written?

 

[Clare73]

That would be everyone. If you aren't a Jew, you are a gentile.

No discrimination among the sheep.

 

[Clare73]

By definition, no age is eternal. Each age has a beginning and an end.

Not in the NT.

 

[Saint Steven]

That is exactly what I am talking about.

"God will be vindicated when he judges." (Ro 3:4)

No it isn't. You called them "the damned". As if it will be a forced confession against their will. Not so.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Clare73 said: ↑
You're missing the most glorious part of that verse: even the damned will agree with God at the Judgment. . .they won't love him, but they'll agree (confess) that he is right and just.

 

[Saint Steven]

Your reference point is most interesting.
One defends Scripture, not because it is true, but because one likes it.
And the corollary: if one doesn't like it, one tries to unseat it.

Strange world. . .

Am I fighting tooth and nail for hell, or for faithfulness to the Word of God written?

If you knew that your neighbor was torturing people in his basement, would you brag about his good character?

 

[Saint Steven]

Not in the NT.

A mistranslation does not make an age eternal. Only God is eternal.

 

[Clare73]

No it isn't. You called them "the damned". As if it will be a forced confession against their will. Not so.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Clare73 said: ↑
You're missing the most glorious part of that verse: even the damned will agree with God at the Judgment. . .they won't love him, but they'll agree (confess) that he is right and just.

They are damned, and they are made to see the truth of the matter, but that changes only their intellects, it does not change their hearts regarding spending eternity praising and worshipping God.

 

[Clare73]

If you knew that your neighbor was torturing people in his basement, would you brag about his good character?

If those people had raped, butchered and dismembered three of his daughters under the age of 8, and defunding the police left no one to administer justice, I just might do that. . .might even help pay for the torture equipment.

 

[Clare73]

A mistranslation does not make an age eternal. Only God is eternal.

It makes it never ending, and everyone knows that's what it means.

Non-problem.

 

[Saint Steven]

They are damned and they are made to see the truth of the matter, but it does not change their mind about spending eternity praising and worshipping God.

That's not how it works.

Anyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection)

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

 

[Saint Steven]

If those people had raped, butchered and dismembered three of his daughters under the age of 8, and defunding the police left no one to administer justice, I just might do that. . .might even help pay for the torture equipment.

The Republican Party has really gone downhill. - LOL
All the way to the basement.

 

[Saint Steven]

It makes it never ending, and everyone knows that's what it means.

Non-problem.

I think I have done all I can to help you.