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Nudists and Christianity.

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by AMOG, Nov 27, 2017.

  1. AMOG

    AMOG Regular Member

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    my thoughts so far...

    yeah, you always have to have a towel if you plan to sit on ANYTHING. and usually it covers all contact with the chair or lounge. not just your bum. So in reality, less flesh to chair contact than a swim suit and no towel.

    b. I have to agree. nothing in the first chapters of gen require clothing. also, if you read the law, it says if you take a man's cloak in pledge for a lone you must return it to him by nightfall. now if you were poor enough to need a loan secured by your cloak, then that cloak was your ONLY garment. (undies were not a thing back then) and there was no concern about keeping the cloak all day, (leaving you nude) but you had to return it by nightfall for protection against the chill. similarly there are a lot of references to clothing the nude, but that seems to be more in relation to poverty, not a command that you must wear cloths. So no, I don't see it. and I've looked.
     
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  2. CoolDude68

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    It is proven that tall men are more successful in business. I'm curious how all that might change if clothes weren't in the mix.
     
  3. dayhiker

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    interesting question, CoolDude. I don't have a clue what the answer would be.
     
  4. JackRT

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    Matthew 5:40 ---“If someone sues you for your coat, give up your shirt as well.” --- In Jewish law if you fail to repay a debt you may be taken to court and if you are still unable to repay, the lender is entitled to take your coat. The lender holds the coat during the day but he is obliged to return it at night because the coat or cloak doubled as a blanket at night. In a two-garment society this would be highly embarrassing to the debtor. However it would be even more embarrassing to the court and the lender if the debtor were to turn over both garments and stand there naked. Remember this was a society with a strong taboo against public nakedness. Using this somewhat risque humour Jesus is once again counseling covert defiance and taking the part of the poor against the rich. I'll bet his audience laughed out loud. Humour is a great aid to the memory.
     
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  5. HermanNeutics13

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    It is true there tend to be more women than you might expect, most of them are part of a couple while it is more common for single men to go than single women.
     
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  6. Darkhorse

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    Like a lot of other things which society disapproves of, many women enjoy social nudity, but they don't talk about it much.

    I'm surprised this thread hasn't been deluged by the Christian nay-sayers in the earlier threads. Maybe they consider it a moot point.
     
  7. pat34lee

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    The bible rarely gets into practical absurdities. Don't bang your
    head against the wall. People generally know better. You know
    that most people, Christian or not, are offended by nudists. That
    puts the practice squarely against Paul's teachings. And Jesus'.

    Romans 14:21
    1 Corinthians 8:13
    Luke 17:1-2

    There was only one man in all the bible commanded to walk
    around naked and barefoot, and he did so for three years:
    Isaiah. He did that as a sign to Egypt and Cush that they were
    going to be taken captive by Assyria. It's hard to ignore a man
    with no clothes in a world that is clothed.
     
  8. dayhiker

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    Which is why nudists don't go shopping naked.
    Rom.14:22 - Berean Study Bible
    Keep your belief about such matters between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves.
    I like being blessed ....
     
  9. AMOG

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    THis is interesting and different from what I have read about the historical period. was this from a commentary? If so which one. Thanks.
     
  10. AMOG

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    Interesting thing about the 'stumbling' based arguments. Contextually they always speak of causing a weaker brother or a child to stumble. However, they seem to mostly be asserted by people who consider themselves strong in the faith. I have never had a week person or a non Christian "stumble" over someone being a nudist (assuming they are doing so in a proper place, not on the city streets). It seems to be the "strong warriors of the faith" who stumble over this one. The only people questioning the salvation of nudists seem to be those who should know it is not their place to question such things.
     
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  11. AMOG

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    Actually, you are factually incorrect. Vast numbers of people in the WORLD are not offended by nudity as it is a part of their culture. Please take a moment and realize that the population of the USA is not MOST of the world. There are vast numbers of people in Africa, Europe, central and south america, Asia, and even australia where public nudity is an every day event and they take no real notice of it. You are arguing from an isolated cultural moras, not from an ethical position or a Biblical perspective. Actually the Bible is very good at speaking up and naming sin as sin. It is when we try to add things to the Bible that we fall into the trap of having to justify why the Bible is silent on the issue. However, in the case of public nudity, I would go further and note that God created us to be nude. That was the original state of man, and it was said to be good. So God did actually take a position on it.
     
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  12. Dave-W

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    I can hear the nay-sayers now:

    "But America is the Godly west. Those other places will cover up as soon as they repent and believe the gospel."

    [/sarcasm]
     
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  13. Sheep dog

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    Interesting post.

    I live in the country on a small acreage. It's somewhat private. I do enjoy catching some vitamin D when the temps are above 70. Privacy is a little more difficult. Got new neighbors. Will be planting some green giants ever green trees this spring.

    Interacting with other is a problem for me if this issue (nudity) comes up even though God said it's good. People are generally closed and refuse to examine anything they aren't familiar with meaning - it's so because its always been that way, so its right.

    It took years for the derogatory gossip to surface about a supposed relationship with a neighbors I did some work for. I no longer do work for any locals. Knew about country life problems by prior experience. They just don't accept new people in their communities very easily. Most new people here tend to bring their city attitude with them - not associating with neighbors. What ever happened to the country atmosphere? We really must attend events to impress people we only discuss trivia and gossip with. Really? Hey but if you'll work for free you're busy all the time.
     
  14. Sheep dog

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    Did God command him to sin?
     
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  15. Sheep dog

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    And yet most of the known world has problems with pornography. If we were healthy I don't think that problem would exist at least to the extent it does.
     
  16. Dave-W

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    "If we were healthy."

    I am not sure all of what we deem "pornography" is that for much of the rest of the world. We can show people in any sort of activity together or individually. Hunting. Camping. Rock climbing. Deep sea diving. Driving. marching. dancing. playing an instrument or singing. Invasive surgery.

    Everything except something sexual. Much of the rest of the world does not make that hard of a division.
     
  17. Dave-W

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    Many would say yes. Just as God told Abraham to sin by killing Isaac.

    I would say no.
     
  18. Sheep dog

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    Most people use the Bible as a quote source only to support their idea. in other words they bring their belief looking for something that seems to support it.
     
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  19. Dave-W

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    Indeed. It is called eisegesis.
     
  20. Dave-W

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    And would the people who saw him with all his man bits hanging out there sin in doing so? If so, that would have been leading the people into sin. Does God do that?

    Did Michelangelo sin when he sculpted a nude King David?
    Is that "porn?"
    Would it have been porn if he was depicted with a large erection?
     
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