Non-Christians: What would you have done?

[toolmanjantzi]

I didn't say that. I am supposed to give because it's the right thing to do. Indicating that it is coming from the Jewish people is not a point system for the religion but sort of a public relations move with non-Jews. There is no "points system" in my religion.

Not sure if you're familiar with history, but we haven't been the most liked people in the world. Doing what we can to change that image is important to our people.

How can you change the word of God? The scripture even says:


And you shall become a horror, a proverb, and a byword among all the peoples where the Lord will lead you away. (Deut 28:37)

"And the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other, and there you shall serve other gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known. And among these nations you shall find no respite, and there shall be no resting place for the sole of your foot, but the Lord will give you there a trembling heart and failing eyes and a languishing soul. Your life shall hang in doubt before you. Night and day you shall be in dread and have no assurance of your life. In the morning you shall say, 'If only it were evening!' and at evening you shall say, 'If only it were morning!' because of the dread that your heart shall feel, and the sights that your eyes shall see. (Deut 28:64-67)

Is this not the reason?

God wants you to be in Israel. (I say this nicely)

 

[LoAmmi]

Is this not the reason?

God wants you to be in Israel. (I say this nicely)

There's nothing in there that indicates we can't work toward improving our image where we live. That is also a list that goes over the punishments for not following Torah. While we may have been punished, there is nothing that says we cannot turn back and the punishment be lifted. In fact, all the prophets speak of the Jewish people turning back to G-d and things improving.

We will be in Israel when it happens. G-d's time is not our time. It will happen when it is meant to happen.

 

[dlamberth]

That is not answering the question. Is Jesus Lord? God in the flesh? Are Jesus the Holy Spirit and the Father three distinct persons of the Trinity that is God.

I felt that I did answer your question.

I'll try another way. I see God within every human being. That light of Divinity that I see is not only within human beings, but with in Creation itself. And that's what I worship.

If you, a Christian were to follow each aspect of the Trinity down to where they become One...it's that space of Divinity/Sacredness that one finds there that that I'm talking about and seeing within others.

I would not use the word "Lord" though to reference it because that implies something separate and apart from life and Creation.

Bottom line, other than respect to Christians, I do not call Jesus "Lord". That's because I pray to whom Jesus prayed to and worshipped as God. I do not pray to Jesus as God.

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[dlamberth]

Why so? When there are in reality two types of people. Those who are the children of God and those who are the children of the devil the father of lies.

I'm just unable to look at life in black and white like this.

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[gord44]

I'm just unable to look at life in black and white like this.

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It's unfortunately what religion teaches. Black or white. That's it. The problem is, the true answers usually lay somewhere in the grey area.

 

[LoAmmi]

It's unfortunately what religion teaches. Black or white.

What some religion teaches. Too broad of a brush to cover all religion.

 

[gord44]

What some religion teaches. Too broad of a brush to cover all religion.

Agreed. I apologize. I usually try to avoid those statements. I should have said more fundamentalist religion. The ones where 'we are right, and everyone else is wrong'.

 

[Isambard]

I wouldn't have given anything and told him flat out it was because of his proselytizing. If the ultimate aim of the charity is to help other instead of pushing religion onto others, then he, and the rest of the organization, will take the criticism to heart and be more mindful in the future.

 

[BruceDLimber]

It's unfortunately what religion teaches. Black or white. That's it. The problem is, the true answers usually [lie] somewhere in the grey area.

In fact, there exist religions that teach something very, very different (to say the least!). I quote the Baha'i scriptures:

"There can be no doubt whatever that the peoples of the world, of whatever race or religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are the subjects of one God. The difference between the ordinances under which they abide should be attributed to the varying requirements and exigencies of the age in which they were revealed. All of them, except a few which are the outcome of human perversity, were ordained of God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. Arise and, armed with the power of faith, shatter to pieces the gods of your vain imaginings, the sowers of dissension amongst you. Cleave unto that which draweth you together and uniteth you."

—(The Proclamation of Baha'u'llah, p. 114; also Gleanings, CXI, pp. 217-8)

Peace,

Bruce

 

[gord44]

Thanks Bruce.

I shouldn't have said religion. As LoAnni said it was unfair. There are many religions that teach the 'middle way', which is a good path to be on.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

There's nothing in there that indicates we can't work toward improving our image where we live. That is also a list that goes over the punishments for not following Torah. While we may have been punished, there is nothing that says we cannot turn back and the punishment be lifted. In fact, all the prophets speak of the Jewish people turning back to G-d and things improving.

We will be in Israel when it happens. G-d's time is not our time. It will happen when it is meant to happen.

How you figure? It says in Ezra the Gentiles will help you get back. And there are ministries doing that already. So if you need help, because you are really Jewish then let me know.

 

[elephunky]

Yes they have, excellent point. Where did they come from?

Why don't you answer your own question?

 

[elephunky]

Why so? When there are in reality two types of people. Those who are the children of God and those who are the children of the devil the father of lies.

Are you for real? Seriously...

Doesn't Christianity teach that everyone is a child of god...

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I felt that I did answer your question.

I'll try another way. I see God within every human being. That light of Divinity that I see is not only within human beings, but with in Creation itself. And that's what I worship.

If you, a Christian were to follow each aspect of the Trinity down to where they become One...it's that space of Divinity/Sacredness that one finds there that that I'm talking about and seeing within others.

I would not use the word "Lord" though to reference it because that implies something separate and apart from life and Creation.

Bottom line, other than respect to Christians, I do not call Jesus "Lord". That's because I pray to whom Jesus prayed to and worshipped as God. I do not pray to Jesus as God.

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Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. (1 Corinthians 12:3 KJV)

Sorry, to hear that you believe on your own strength. The scripture is clear.

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. (Romans 8:8-11 KJV)

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I'm just unable to look at life in black and white like this.

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I know why.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

In fact, there exist religions that teach something very, very different (to say the least!). I quote the Baha'i scriptures:

"There can be no doubt whatever that the peoples of the world, of whatever race or religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are the subjects of one God. The difference between the ordinances under which they abide should be attributed to the varying requirements and exigencies of the age in which they were revealed. All of them, except a few which are the outcome of human perversity, were ordained of God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. Arise and, armed with the power of faith, shatter to pieces the gods of your vain imaginings, the sowers of dissension amongst you. Cleave unto that which draweth you together and uniteth you."

--(The Proclamation of Baha'u'llah, p. 114; also Gleanings, CXI, pp. 217-8)

Peace,

Bruce

You follow Islam?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Are you for real? Seriously...

Doesn't Christianity teach that everyone is a child of god...

No

 

[dlamberth]

I know why.

You do? Why?

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[awitch]

Are you for real? Seriously...

Doesn't Christianity teach that everyone is a child of god...

Hmm what should I get Satan for a gift this Father's Day?

 

[dlamberth]

Sorry, to hear that you believe on your own strength.

Is that what you think? How so? Could it be because I see and experience God as not bounded by dogma and correct belief?

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