Non-Christians: What would you have done?

[dlamberth]

No

It's good than that I'm not a Christian than because I DO see each and every human being as a child of God.

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[LostMarbels]

Hmm what should I get Satan for a gift this Father's Day?

Aren't you Gardnerian? I would guess you would just perform the third degree initation, or go strait to the source with Aleister Crowley's Gnostic Mass? Beside, the Horned god is not the same as satan.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Is that what you think? How so? Could it be because I see and experience God as not bounded by dogma and correct belief?

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Yup. I have you the verses. Obviously I should explain them also. You admitted to not accept Jesus as Lord. According to 1 Corinthians 12:3 you lack the Holy Spirit.; if you lack the Holy Spirit, how can you believe?

 

[Zoness]

Why so? When there are in reality two types of people. Those who are the children of God and those who are the children of the devil the father of lies.

This seems to be a contradiction to the Christian message, at least the one told to me quite often. I will be sure to hold onto this quote forever.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

It's good than that I'm not a Christian than because I DO see each and every human being as a child of God.

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As "YOU SAY", unfortunately the scripture does not say that.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:12, 13 KJV)

 

[toolmanjantzi]

This seems to be a contradiction to the Christian message, at least the one told to me quite often. I will be sure to hold onto this quote forever.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:12, 13 KJV)

Not all receive him, so how can they be called the children of God, by election or adoption.

 

[dlamberth]

You admitted to not accept Jesus as Lord. According to 1 Corinthians 12:3 you lack the Holy Spirit.; if you lack the Holy Spirit, how can you believe?

God work's in mysterious ways, and by looking around it's very clear that He doesn't work in the black and white way that you describe.

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[LostMarbels]

This is exactly turning out like what I had responded in my posts. What dose it profit to try and jam religion down someone's throat?
Being overly forceful only dose one thing:






What good dose it accomplish to tell everyone their evil bastard children of Satan? What profit are you obtaining? When you get done clubbing everyone like fur seals with your bible, what then? "Jesus Loves you"? Why, oh why do the masses think we are a hypercritical religion. I dunno...... Can't quite figure it out.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

God work's in mysterious ways, and by looking around it's very clear that He doesn't work in the black and white way that you describe.

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So you also don't accept scriptural authority.

Are you a johnsonite?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

This is exactly turning out like what I had responded in my posts. What dose it profit to try and jam religion down someone's throat?
Being overly forceful only dose one thing:

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/bible-thumper/next?context=latest

What good dose it accomplish to tell everyone their evil bastard children of Satan? What profit are you obtaining? When you get done clubbing everyone like fur seals with your bible, what then? "Jesus Loves you"? Why, oh why do the masses think we are a hypercritical religion. I dunno...... Can't quite figure it out.

How have you benefited yourself with your choice of language?

You should ask the scriptures what benefit was it for Christ to call the Pharisees sons of the devil.

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. (John 8:43-45 KJV)

You do read the scriptures, don't you?

 

[dlamberth]

So you also don't accept scriptural authority.

Are you a johnsonite?

The authority I accept are those hearts that are filled with Love, Compassion and Service to those in need.

I see that as being directly related to the OP.

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[Eyes wide Open]

Toolman

Have you ever considered that 'of the flesh' is to create with selfish ideals and that 'not of the flesh' meaning to live with spirit is non selfish ideals. This would reflect that within all people there are two types of creative expression, and not that there are two types of people. One expression is of man e.g 'self' created ideals, where your creative expression is soley aimed at the 'self' and then we have creative expressions that are 'of God' meaning that you have moved beyond the 'self' and you're outlook is to serve another 'self'. Seen in this light we (all of us) are both sons of God and of the devil. The devil in this context is your creative ability when expressed with only the 'self' in mind, as this leads to dysfunction and destruction both within the self and beyond.

 

[LostMarbels]

How have you benefited yourself with your choice of language?

Im not trying to benefit myself. There are things like meekness, edification, and love that need to be addressed. I come to you as a brother not to tear you down but to build you up.


Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
Col 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
Col 3:15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

You should ask the scriptures what benefit was it for Christ to call the Pharisees sons of the devil.

The Pharisee yes, an unbeliever no. Where in the entire bible did Jesus ever condemn, ridicule, brow beat or condone such actions against a nonbeliever. He entreated them. Taught parables and scripture to them. Feed them, healed ailments, and forgave their sins. Jesus ate in the houses of hookers, thieves, drug addicts and unbelievers. Jesus's anger was shown to those that in their own self righteousness believed they were capable of judging those who were not as pious as they, themselves. Yet he condemned the condemnation of a adulteress by asking he without sin to cast the first stone. This is your first clue, that even we Christians are not without sin, and are not to judge those still in sin. Only Christ is able to judge, and yet he showed compassion in his mercy. We are to be known by our love, and witnesses by our walk. Not beat people into submission.

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. (John 8:43-45 KJV)

You message is correct. Your approach needs work.

You do read the scriptures, don't you?

I confess Jesus as the Son of God, Lord, Christ, and the word of God made flesh. Yes I read the scripture.

 

[awitch]

Aren't you Gardnerian? I would guess you would just perform the third degree initation, or go strait to the source with Aleister Crowley's Gnostic Mass?

No sir, just a run of the mill generic non-Wiccan, Westernized, modern, eclectic Witch.

Beside, the Horned god is not the same as satan.

This from a Christian??? I'm printing this out and framing it.

 

[LoAmmi]

How you figure? It says in Ezra the Gentiles will help you get back. And there are ministries doing that already. So if you need help, because you are really Jewish then let me know.

Would you show me what in Ezra you are referring to?

 

[LostMarbels]

No sir, just a run of the mill generic non-Wiccan, Westernized, modern, eclectic Witch.



This from a Christian??? I'm printing this out and framing it.

I was at one time a practicing Wiccan. Wasn't always a Christian. But framing it.... that's funny.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Toolman

Have you ever considered that 'of the flesh' is to create with selfish ideals and that 'not of the flesh' meaning to live with spirit is non selfish ideals. This would reflect that within all people there are two types of creative expression, and not that there are two types of people. One expression is of man e.g 'self' created ideals, where your creative expression is soley aimed at the 'self' and then we have creative expressions that are 'of God' meaning that you have moved beyond the 'self' and you're outlook is to serve another 'self'. Seen in this light we (all of us) are both sons of God and of the devil. The devil in this context is your creative ability when expressed with only the 'self' in mind, as this leads to dysfunction and destruction both within the self and beyond.

Yes, I am a sinner saved by grace. I really am having a hard time with understanding this. Can you give scripture to explain this?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Im not trying to benefit myself. There are things like meekness, edification, and love that need to be addressed. I come to you as a brother not to tear you down but to build you up.

Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
Col 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
Col 3:15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

The Pharisee yes, an unbeliever no. Where in the entire bible did Jesus ever condemn, ridicule, brow beat or condone such actions against a nonbeliever. He entreated them. Taught parables and scripture to them. Feed them, healed ailments, and forgave their sins. Jesus ate in the houses of hookers, thieves, drug addicts and unbelievers. Jesus's anger was shown to those that in their own self righteousness believed they were capable of judging those who were not as pious as they, themselves. Yet he condemned the condemnation of a adulteress by asking he without sin to cast the first stone. This is your first clue, that even we Christians are not without sin, and are not to judge those still in sin. Only Christ is able to judge, and yet he showed compassion in his mercy. We are to be known by our love, and witnesses by our walk. Not beat people into submission.

You message is correct. Your approach needs work.

I confess Jesus as the Son of God, Lord, Christ, and the word of God made flesh. Yes I read the scripture.

I appreciate your correction. When I wrote the passage, I was not accusing, I was showing that we are not all children of God as some Christians teach. If you felt I was being harsh with the unbelievers, I apologize. Actually it's those who claim belief and do not confess Jesus as Lord, are they to be treated lightly with such error of the scriptures and going off on their own love feasts. I fully believe there is just as much Love sharing the truth with those in error as feeding those who are hungry. If I told you everyone in this thread either claims to be a Christian or as they say we're at one time, how am I to know who the unbeliever is and who the Tares are? I share the truth. But show me my error, please that I may learn to not offend you twice.

 

[gord44]

Yes, I am a sinner saved by grace. I really am having a hard time with understanding this. Can you give scripture to explain this?

Why does he have to give scripture?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Would you show me what in Ezra you are referring to?

Sorry Isaiah.

Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders. (Isaiah 49:22 KJV)

It's Ezra Ministries International; that does this. They help Jews get back to Israel, financially.