Non-Christians: What would you have done?

[LoAmmi]

I'm going to have to disagree with that interpretation of Isaiah.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Why does he have to give scripture?

King James is easier to understand, I guess. I don't exactly know what is being conveyed, other than he assumes I am coming off as though I am perfect.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I'm going to have to disagree with that interpretation of Isaiah.

Good can you tell me why? As I am on a board, and would like your take on it, so I can use it.

 

[LostMarbels]

I appreciate your correction. When I wrote the passage, I was not accusing, I was showing that we are not all children of God as some Christians teach. If you felt I was being harsh with the unbelievers, I apologize. Actually it's those who claim belief and do not confess Jesus as Lord, are they to be treated lightly with such error of the scriptures and going off on their own love feasts. I fully believe there is just as much Love sharing the truth with those in error as feeding those who are hungry. If I told you everyone in this thread either claims to be a Christian or as they say we're at one time, how am I to know who the unbeliever is and who the Tares are? I share the truth. But show me my error, please that I may learn to not offend you twice.

Hey brother, don't get down about it. Your message is good, just approach people with some humility, that's all. Every one here on this forum are real people with real lives, and souls. We are to love them as they are. Let them see our witness. That will speak volumes more about Christ than badgering them.

But I can say one thing about you.... you have wisdom, and your humbleness to correction speaks volumes about your walk with Christ.

Pro 9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
Pro 9:9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.

God bless you in Christ Jesus name.

 

[LoAmmi]

Good can you tell me why? As I am on a board, and would like your take on it, so I can use it.

I will address this tomorrow.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I will address this tomorrow.

Thank you.

 

[Eyes wide Open]

Yes, I am a sinner saved by grace. I really am having a hard time with understanding this. Can you give scripture to explain this?

I used basic English. Give it some thought.

 

[Eyes wide Open]

I appreciate your correction. When I wrote the passage, I was not accusing, I was showing that we are not all children of God as some Christians teach. If you felt I was being harsh with the unbelievers, I apologize. Actually it's those who claim belief and do not confess Jesus as Lord, are they to be treated lightly with such error of the scriptures and going off on their own love feasts. I fully believe there is just as much Love sharing the truth with those in error as feeding those who are hungry. If I told you everyone in this thread either claims to be a Christian or as they say we're at one time, how am I to know who the unbeliever is and who the Tares are? I share the truth. But show me my error, please that I may learn to not offend you twice.

So some Christians (believers confessing Jesus as Lord) do teach that all are children of God and others don't, and yet presumably both use scripture to 'confirm' their position. So we see your faith and interpretation of such is a reflection of your own 'self' is it not. Which is the truth. I don't ask for your answer because you've given yours and I've given mine.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I used basic English. Give it some thought.

Actually, I am concerned of the spirit that you talk of in your thread. Who is Jesus to you?

 

[dlamberth]

Who is Jesus to you?

For me, Jesus is Love, Compassion and Service to those in need.

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[toolmanjantzi]

So some Christians (believers confessing Jesus as Lord) do teach that all are children of God and others don't, and yet presumably both use scripture to 'confirm' their position. So we see your faith and interpretation of such is a reflection of your own 'self' is it not. Which is the truth. I don't ask for your answer because you've given yours and I've given mine.

We are all Gods Creation, but NO we are not all the children of God ( either by election or adoption). Some people are the children of the devil. And, unless there is scripture that would say otherwise; it's not my words but those of the Word of God. And the word "children" is not in the sense of physical birth, but spiritual.

 

[dlamberth]

I was showing that we are not all children of God as some Christians teach.

The one thing I know for certain is that when I see all human beings as children of God, I look at and treat them differently. Seeing the sacredness and even a bit of divinity in people affirms to me that all human beings are Children of God. Being that our very souls are an activity of God, how could it be otherwise?

Because I see what I see, there is just no way that anyone could ever convince me that we are not children of God.

What I don't understand are believers in God that do not see every human being as a Child of God. That I don't understand.

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[toolmanjantzi]

The one thing I know for certain is that when I see all human beings as children of God, I look at and treat them differently. Seeing the sacredness and even a bit of divinity in people affirms to me that all human beings are Children of God. Being that our very souls are an activity of God, how could it be otherwise?

Because I see what I see, there is just no way that anyone could ever convince me that we are not children of God.

What I don't understand are believers in God that do not see every human being as a Child of God. That I don't understand.

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We don't follow the same God. As I see it, unfortunately.

 

[Eyes wide Open]

We are all Gods Creation, but NO we are not all the children of God ( either by election or adoption). Some people are the children of the devil. And, unless there is scripture that would say otherwise; it's not my words but those of the Word of God. And the word "children" is not in the sense of physical birth, but spiritual.

We can bat it back and forth all day, you've used your words and your interpretation of scripture. I have used my words and interpreted no scripture. Both are reflections of our own 'self' creation. To answer your previous question about 'my spirit' (I don't normally play lip service to random's) regarding Jesus and the issue's of 'self' creation the following applies.

Your interpretation of scripture is 'self' created and yes my view is 'self' created also, which is why we avert our eyes to those that are/were 'self' less to guide us, meaning they created with no 'self'. Then we can create together (as best we can) with what works best, we can observe these 'self' less creations as 'of God' because there was no self to inhibit or 'obstruct' (see one of the Hebrew words for Ha Satan) Gods work, and then we can embrace those creations and bring them into our lives, so that we can create also with these. This is to live with the spirit and thus be saved from a life dead to it. Jesus as a 'self' less example created with forgiveness, love, non judgement, compassion and service, yes to all, he even included his enemy's in this, he as a manifestation of God, showed us that God is there for all, as Jesus was. He supplied us with the building blocks for relationship (as above) the connective elements to relationship, and for us to create using these elements. God supplies the building blocks or the connective elements for the whole universe to relate, seen in this light Jesus was the son of his father.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

We can bat it back and forth all day, you've used your words and your interpretation of scripture. I have used my words and interpreted no scripture. Both are reflections of our own 'self' creation. To answer your previous question about 'my spirit' (I don't normally play lip service to random's) regarding Jesus and the issue's of 'self' creation the following applies.

Your interpretation of scripture is 'self' created and yes my view is 'self' created also, which is why we avert our eyes to those that are/were 'self' less to guide us, meaning they created with no 'self'. Then we can create together (as best we can) with what works best, we can observe these 'self' less creations as 'of God' because there was no self to inhibit or 'obstruct' (see one of the Hebrew words for Ha Satan) Gods work, and then we can embrace those creations and bring them into our lives, so that we can create also with these. This is to live with the spirit and thus be saved from a life dead to it. Jesus as a 'self' less example created with forgiveness, love, non judgement, compassion and service, yes to all, he even included his enemy's in this, he as a manifestation of God, showed us that God is there for all, as Jesus was. He supplied us with the building blocks for relationship (as above) the connective elements to relationship, and create using these. God supplies the building blocks or the connective elements for the whole universe to relate, seen in this light Jesus was the son of his father.

Who does God hate?

 

[Zoness]

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:12, 13 KJV)

Not all receive him, so how can they be called the children of God, by election or adoption.

Election <- There's the keyword I was looking for.

You must be a Calvinist, that explains a tremendous amount.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Election <- There's the keyword I was looking for.

You must be a Calvinist, that explains a tremendous amount.

I am a bible believing Christian. Would it been different had I said "Chosen" as with the Jews.

 

[Eyes wide Open]

Who does God hate?

Which baby that you picked up to cradle would you hate ?

 

[dlamberth]

We don't follow the same God. As I see it, unfortunately.

From the perspective Jesus Christ...looking through the eyes of Jesus if you will...from His perspective you don't believe that Jesus Loves every human being as a Child of God?

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[Zoness]

I am a bible believing Christian. Would it been different had I said "Chosen" as with the Jews.

No, your philosophy is still Calvinist in the Reformed tradition of Christian as far as I can tell.