Non-Christians: What would you have done?

[LoAmmi]

Sorry you are correct. I publicly apologize for accusing you of intending to lie. The source you have used has lied to you or all the theologians including STRONGS has lied to me. But I would like better proof then you telling me its "Ladonee", when I read "adown" in the Hebrew. I can't find a actual source that can even show me theologically "LADONEE". Please help.

You see the truth is very important to me, and it would seem to you I am in error, therefore I need to study this more as all bible translation that I know of will translate "adawn".


Sorry once again for calling you a liar.

Apology accepted. Check this out:

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/psa110.pdf

Ok, now look at the top. You'll see that the word is put out as l·adn·i or ladonee depending on how you want to transliterate it.
No place in the Tanakh does that word refer to HaShem. It always means master or lord in an Earthly sense.

 

[dlamberth]

How can it be one of the ways, if its the Only way?

Well, what I know for sure is that your way with Jesus is the ONLY way that works for "you". But not necessary other Christians let alone those who follow other spiritual paths.

When looking at the the broader scope of Christianity with as many sects as there are, even with in Christianity we find many ways and understandings for what it means to know Jesus. Many of those other ways I suspect you will disagree with. But it works for them.

For myself, I don't know how to limit God to any single religion...He is way too big for that. On top of that, when I "see" God with in others of other spiritual paths it becomes very clear to me that He is not limited by doctrine or correct beliefs.

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[toolmanjantzi]

Well, what I know for sure is that your way with Jesus is the ONLY way that works for "you". But not necessary other Christians let alone those who follow other spiritual paths.

When looking at the the broader scope of Christianity with as many sects as there are, even with in Christianity we find many ways and understandings for what it means to know Jesus. Many of those other ways I suspect you will disagree with. But it works for them.

For myself, I don't know how to limit God to any single religion...He is way too big for that. On top of that, when I "see" God with in others of other spiritual paths it becomes very clear to me that He is not limited by doctrine or correct beliefs.

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You just made doctrine by stating there are more then one way to God. As I see it there is only one way to carry the Ark of the covenant, there was only one way acceptable by God when the sons of Aaron offered strange fire. There was one tree that Adam and Eve were not to touch, there was one offering accepted by God between Cain and Abel.

But there is no scripture that states more then one way to God.

 

[dlamberth]

But there is no scripture that states more then one way to God.

The sacred scripture written with in life itself clearly shows that there is more than one way to God.





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[toolmanjantzi]

The sacred scripture written with in life itself clearly shows that there is more than one way to God.

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And who told you this

 

[dlamberth]

And who told you this

If God is something your only read about, I say get your nose out of the book, take a chance to look around at life and look for God out there within His own Creation.

A Mothers love for her new born child is an example of the Divine at work with in people. That's is a very sacred moment. That tenderness and compassion of a mothers love is an example of the sacred text written within life itself. One can learn a lot about God from watching a mothers love for her children.

God is not a mental concept...though it's seeming to me that that's what your doing to God.

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[lupusFati]

Trust me, there is nothing 'divine' about the human race.

 

[dlamberth]

Trust me, there is nothing 'divine' about the human race.

Well, with this I'm not trusting you. That's especially true when I see all the Love, Compassion and Service to others that we do for each other.

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[lupusFati]

Well, with this I'm not trusting you. That's especially true when I see all the Love, Compassion and Service to others that we do for each other.

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Correlation is not causation.

 

[dlamberth]

Correlation is not causation.

When one "sees" Divinity in other human beings, that's something that they tend to listen to and not forget easily. When what they "see" comes through Love, Compassion and service to others and the spark of life within...for that person what they are looking at tends to be LOT deeper than causation.

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[Eyes wide Open]

You just made doctrine by stating there are more then one way to God. As I see it there is only one way to carry the Ark of the covenant, there was only one way acceptable by God when the sons of Aaron offered strange fire. There was one tree that Adam and Eve were not to touch, there was one offering accepted by God between Cain and Abel.

But there is no scripture that states more then one way to God.

I appreciate this was directed to dlambeth but you accused him of 'making doctrine' he clearly didn't do that. Doctrine is scripure specfic and it can be interpreted and taught but to make it up is to redefine the interpretation and teaching and to start a new religion, or a new branch of the religion, as we have seen many times with the Christian faith and that those new understandings were divinely inspired, he didn't do that. He did exactly what you have stated above, using the words 'as I see it'. So the question gets asked of you, who told you there was only one way to God.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Trust me, there is nothing 'divine' about the human race.

Are you feeling Ok your on a role.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I appreciate this was directed to dlambeth but you accused him of 'making doctrine' he clearly didn't do that. Doctrine is scripure specfic and it can be interpreted and taught but to make it up is to redefine the interpretation and teaching and to start a new religion, or a new branch of the religion, as we have seen many times with the Christian faith and that those new understandings were divinely inspired, he didn't do that. He did exactly what you have stated above, using the words 'as I see it'. So the question gets asked of you, who told you there was only one way to God.

First name your dictionary.

doctrine:

A belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a church, political party, or other group.
A stated principle of government policy, mainly in foreign or military affairs: "the Monroe Doctrine".

 

[Eyes wide Open]

First name your dictionary.

doctrine:

A belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a church, political party, or other group.
A stated principle of government policy, mainly in foreign or military affairs: "the Monroe Doctrine".

Yes and you accused him of 'making up doctrine' but he gave his view as you did yours, and obviously on a Christian forum in reference to God the dictionary definition was applicable to the church, which as I stated is scripture specific.
Do you care to answer my question?

 

[elephunky]

Way to derail a thread...

 

[Eyes wide Open]

Way to derail a thread...

I know, I find it disrespectful to the OP and they have my apology. From my own perspective I feel duty bound to confront narrow minded ideology.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I appreciate this was directed to dlambeth but you accused him of 'making doctrine' he clearly didn't do that.

Thanks, I did accuse them of making doctrine, not believed in Christianity. It Goes against scripture that is Gods word. Why would God give His word only to go against what He tells us in his word.

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. (Romans 1:25 KJV)

Doctrine is scripure specfic and it can be interpreted and taught but to make it up is to redefine the interpretation and teaching and to start a new religion, or a new branch of the religion, as we have seen many times with the Christian faith and that those new understandings were divinely inspired, he didn't do that.

Doctrine does not have to be scripture specific, as any Dictionary will state. A new religion is exactly what they have created by stating there is more then one way to God.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. (John 14:6, 7 KJV)

He did exactly what you have stated above, using the words 'as I see it'. So the question gets asked of you, who told you there was only one way to God.

God told me in His Word. "AS I SEE IT", or "MY UNDERSTANDING OF SCRIPTURE", there are many times in the Bible where God is specific to a BLACK AND WHITE ONE WAY OF DOING THINGS, where if it is off course a little there is a response from Him.


Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. (John 14:6, 7 KJV)

Wavering from this is not scriptural.

 

[gord44]

Way to derail a thread...

I think the thread kind of ran its course anyways.

 

[Eyes wide Open]

Thanks, I did accuse them of making doctrine, not believed in Christianity. It Goes against scripture that is Gods word. Why would God give His word only to go against what He tells us in his word.

You've contradicted yourself, bolded as above then provided the following statement.

"Doctrine does not have to be scripture specific, as any Dictionary will state. A new religion is exactly what they have created by stating there is more then one way to God."

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. (Romans 1:25 KJV)

Not relevant to the debate.

God told me in His Word. "AS I SEE IT", or "MY UNDERSTANDING OF SCRIPTURE", there are many times in the Bible where God is specific to a BLACK AND WHITE ONE WAY OF DOING THINGS, where if it is off course a little there is a response from Him.

God provided the word and you apply your 'seeing' of it and your understanding. That's what I've said all along, your outlook is a reflection of yourself.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. (John 14:6, 7 KJV)

Wavering from this is not scriptural.

I don't waver from that in the slightest, I just 'see it' differently to you and understand it differently.

 

[dlamberth]

Thanks, I did accuse them of making doctrine, not believed in Christianity.

I'm only sharing what I see and experience. Not "doctrine". The only Doctrine that I hold to is the Religion of the Heart which is Love, Compassion and Service to those in need. It's a simple path and full of truth with no beliefs or dogma attached.

It Goes against scripture that is Gods word. Why would God give His word only to go against what He tells us in his word.

Your going to have to deal with that yourself. I can't answer your doctrine. I'm totally free of it. It's only myself that I can answer for. So for me the ONLY sacred text that I know of thats directly written by the hand of God and signed off with His own signature can be found only with in life itself. So I find that what God has written down directly within His Creation trumps anything written down by the hand of man.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. (John 14:6, 7 KJV).

My editorial of this is that most stop at the first part (with Jesus) and do not even bother with the second part, which is going on to the Father. But you have to get spiritual to do that. If you go to the Father you will find many folks from a wide variety of spiritual paths sitting there with you. You will not be alone.

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