Non-Christians: What would you have done?

[LoAmmi]

And BTW, you might at least try to get your terminology correct when posting to LoAmmi: the Torah is only the FIRST FIVE BOOKS of the Jewish scriptures (IOW, the earliest ones), while the Jewish scriptures as a whole are known as the Tanach (an acronym of which the "T" stands for "Torah"); the Tanach is thus equivalent to the Christian Old Testament.

Torah is a funny word in Judaism. It can range from the first five books all the way to the entirety of Jewish teachings. However, I agree with you that most often we use Torah to refer to the first five books.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

The exact word is not used for HaShem. It is only used for master or an Earthly lord. You can believe me or not but it is a fact. You are taking a root and applying it to all words derived from that root.

The word is ladonee. That is not the same as what you posted above.

You got that online. That is a big lie. What is the actual Hebrew word then?



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Master noun ??????, ????????; ???????; ???????; ??????
master verb ?????????, ????????????
doitinHebrew.com Phonetic Translation

Master noun adon, shaliyt; mum'cheh; mas'ter; aman
master verb hit'machah, hit'mak'tzea
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Mr., Sir, Gentleman, master

master

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master
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Wikipedia English - The Free Encyclopedia
Master
Master (a man having control or authority) or Masters may refer to:
Master (form of address), a title.
Master, the original of a document or other copied item.
Master recording, the original of a recording.
Sensei, a Japanese title used to refer to authority figures.
Gangmaster, a person who provides workers for agricultural purposes.
Master craftsman, a fully qualified artisan or craftsman, originally as rank in a guild.
Guru, a teacher in Hinduism, Buddhism and Sikhism.
Maestro, a skilled, usually non-academic, instructor, as in Dance Master, Music Master, Fencing Master, Drawing Master etc.
Master (BDSM), honorific some people use to describe the dominant partner in a relationship.
Slavemaster, a person who manages slaves.
Master-slave (computers), one device controlling the operation of other devices.

See more at Wikipedia.org...

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Simply wrong: GROSSLY wrong, I might add!

I'm a Baha'i, as I said and as the heading of my posts makes clear; and as such I follow the teachings of the Founder of the Baha'i Faith, Baha'u'llah.

You could as easily claim that a Muslim follows the teachings of Christ.

Again, an extremely incorrect statement.

Simple as that.

And BTW, you might at least try to get your terminology correct when posting to LoAmmi: the Torah is only the FIRST FIVE BOOKS of the Jewish scriptures (IOW, the earliest ones), while the Jewish scriptures as a whole are known as the Tanach (an acronym of which the "T" stands for "Torah"); the Tanach is thus equivalent to the Christian Old Testament.

Bruce

You believe there are many ways to GOD?

 

[gord44]

See more at Wikipedia.org...

:o

 

[LoAmmi]

Oh, well if Wikipedia says it, it must be true! I'm not really sure what the dictionary posts are suppose to tell me exact what master means in English. We're not talking about what master means in English.

I gave you the word. ladonee.

The same word is used in Genesis 24:54 and Genesis 32:4. Good old King James decided that it would be master in the first and lord referring to Esau in those places and not "Lord" referring to HaShem. I find that to be very convenient. Why the lack of consistency in translation?

If you find where ladonee is used for G-d, I'll be glad to look at it.

Please don't call me a liar until you give evidence that I am lying. It is not kind.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Oh, well if Wikipedia says it, it must be true! I'm not really sure what the dictionary posts are suppose to tell me exact what master means in English. We're not talking about what master means in English.

I gave you the word. ladonee.

The same word is used in Genesis 24:54 and Genesis 32:4. Good old King James decided that it would be master in the first and lord referring to Esau in those places and not "Lord" referring to HaShem. I find that to be very convenient. Why the lack of consistency in translation?

If you find where ladonee is used for G-d, I'll be glad to look at it.

Please don't call me a liar until you give evidence that I am lying. It is not kind.

It is not in the KJV. Find another. It isn't even in the Hebrew Dictionary. The ????? Was Hebrew writings, unfortunately it did not post.

adon, shaliyt; mum'cheh; mas'ter; aman are the words for master or Master.

I see no reference for ladonee.

As far as I know it is a Hebrew/Greek slang word that isn't even in the codecs.

 

[LoAmmi]

It is not in the KJV. Find another. It isn't even in the Hebrew Dictionary. The ????? Was Hebrew writings, unfortunately it did not post.

adon, shaliyt; mum'cheh; mas'ter; aman are the words for master or Master.

I see no reference for ladonee.

As far as I know it is a Hebrew/Greek slang word that isn't even in the codecs.

adon. Doesn't that look very similar to ladonee? If you are going to be ignorant of Hebrew, please don't lecture me. I don't speak the language but I do understand how it works.

One of our words for G-d is "Adonai". Can you see the "adon" in there as well? But the word used in Psalm 110 is not "Adonai" but "ladonee" or "l'adonee" if you want to write it a bit different. That word is not used for HaShem in our scriptures.

 

[dlamberth]

You believe there are many ways to GOD?

With out a shadow of doubt...YES!!!!

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[toolmanjantzi]

adon. Doesn't that look very similar to ladonee? If you are going to be ignorant of Hebrew, please don't lecture me. I don't speak the language but I do understand how it works.

One of our words for G-d is "Adonai". Can you see the "adon" in there as well? But the word used in Psalm 110 is not "Adonai" but "ladonee" or "l'adonee" if you want to write it a bit different. That word is not used for HaShem in our scriptures.

Deut. 10:17 (twice), Josh, 3:11 and 3:13, Jgs, 6:13, Neh. 8:10 and 10:29, Ps8:1 and 9, Ps. 97:5, Ps. 114:7, Ps. 135:5, Ps. 136:3 (twice), Ps 147:5, Is. 1:24, Is 3:1, Is. 10:33, Is 19:30, Is. 51:22, Hos. 12:14, Mic 4:13, Zec. 4:4 and 6:5, and Mal. 3:1.

There are all the Old Testament References where your "Ladonee" is used to refer to God.

You are distorting the truth.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

With out a shadow of doubt...YES!!!!

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Jesus is the ONLY WAY. You accept that way then?

 

[LoAmmi]

I just did a quick look in Deut 10:17 and the word לַאדֹנִי is not there.

Could you please point it out to me in that place?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I just did a quick look in Deut 10:17 and the word ???????? is not there.

Could you please point it out to me in that place?

It's not "Ladonee", its "adown" which refers to MASTER.

Deuteronomy 10:17 (KJV) For the LORD your God [is] God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
For the LORD Y?hovahH3068
your God 'elohiym H430
[is] God 'elohiym H430
of gods, 'elohiym H430
and Lord 'adown H113
of lords, 'adown H113
a great gadowl H1419
God, 'el H410
a mighty, gibbowr H1368
and a terrible, yare' H3372
which regardeth nasa' H5375
not persons, paniym H6440
nor taketh laqach H3947
reward: shachad H7810


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Outline of Biblical Usage:
1) firm, strong, lord, master
a) lord, master
1) reference to men
a) superintendent of household,of affairs
b) master
c) king
2) reference to God
a) the Lord God
b) Lord of the whole earth
b) lords, kings
1) reference to men
a) proprietor of hill of Samaria
b) master
c) husband
d) prophet
e) governor
f) prince
g) king
2) reference to God
a) Lord of lords (probably = "thy husband, Yahweh")
c) my lord, my master
1) reference to men
a) master
b) husband
c) prophet
d) prince
e) king
f) father
g) Moses
h) priest
i) theophanic angel
j) captain
k) general recognition of superiority
2) reference to God
a) my Lord,my Lord and my God
b) Adonai (parallel with Yahweh)

 

[LoAmmi]

It's not "Ladonee", its "adown" which refers to MASTER.

Thank you for admitting that the word there is not "ladonee". Having proven my point, I think it best you come back with some evidence that backs up your point. Perhaps you could come back with even more evidence that supports me! I like not having to do work.

 

[dlamberth]

Jesus is the ONLY WAY. You accept that way then?

For me it's ONE of the ways. For you the ONLY way.

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[LoAmmi]

I would also like to remind you that you have called me a liar on this issue and that has since been proven to be wrong. I think you should consider what you have done in public here and how that might look to those looking at the actions of Christians and judging Christianity based upon those actions.

Perhaps one should not be so hasty to bring out the liar accusation. There is a wide, wide range between "liar" and "mistaken". You didn't say I was mistaken. You said I was a liar.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

For me it's ONE of the ways. For you the ONLY way.

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How can it be one of the ways, if its the Only way?

 

[Zoness]

ELECTION IS STILL IN THE ROOM, so dissect away.

We already know you are a Calvinist, there really isn't much more to discuss...but it was important to make clear to posters on this forum that Calvinism is probably in the category of more "abusive" spiritual philosophies.

That's why you never were a Christian to begin with. Christians believe in The Lord.

Perseverance of the Saints. The "P" in TULIP.

 

[gord44]

How can it be one of the ways, if its the Only way?

You must understand that it's only a Christian perspective that says it's the only way. You must realize that you are in a subform of CF where the majority don't believe the Bible is the word of God.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I would also like to remind you that you have called me a liar on this issue and that has since been proven to be wrong. I think you should consider what you have done in public here and how that might look to those looking at the actions of Christians and judging Christianity based upon those actions.

Perhaps one should not be so hasty to bring out the liar accusation. There is a wide, wide range between "liar" and "mistaken". You didn't say I was mistaken. You said I was a liar.

Sorry you are correct. I publicly apologize for accusing you of intending to lie. The source you have used has lied to you or all the theologians including STRONGS has lied to me. But I would like better proof then you telling me its "Ladonee", when I read "adown" in the Hebrew. I can't find a actual source that can even show me theologically "LADONEE". Please help.

You see the truth is very important to me, and it would seem to you I am in error, therefore I need to study this more as all bible translation that I know of will translate "adawn".


Sorry once again for calling you a liar.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

We already know you are a Calvinist, there really isn't much more to discuss...but it was important to make clear to posters on this forum that Calvinism is probably in the category of more "abusive" spiritual philosophies.

Perseverance of the Saints. The "P" in TULIP.

I do not refer to all the beliefs of any legalistic reformed Calvinism. I do believe people need to hear the gospel wether there is a E stamped on their chest or not, and I am not in the business of calling something what it is or isn't unless there is scriptural authority to stand with it.

"Abusive" is such a light term, don't you think?