Noah's Flood

[coffee4u]

The word yome is in the original Hebrew manuscripts, it got translated as day unfortunately. Now you know about the mistake you need to upgrade your knowledge.

When we say in our grandparent's day we do not mean 24 hours.

The "day of the Lord" does not mean one day.
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God makes no mistakes.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Quote Hugh Ross
"The Hebrew word “yom“ (translated “day”) can literally “indicate any of four time periods: (a) some portion of the daylight (hours); (b) sunrise to sunset, (c) sunset to sunset, (d) a segment of time without any reference to solar days (from weeks to a year to several years to an age or epoch). “Yom’ cannot, however, be interpreted as indefinite (such as anytime or someday) or as infinite time.”

Even if you wanted to make each day a thousand years this would still not make millions of years.

Genesis 1 is not written from the perspective of " In our grandparents day" When Yom is followed by an Ordinal number and evening and morning it only ever means 1 literal day. Which is precisely why the author included the number as well as the words'evening and morning' repeatedly.

You have no scripture indicating cave men or millions of years. You get that directly from modern science. At least own what you believe instead of pretending millions of years is scripture.

I am done listening to your rudeness. Name-calling is a sign of weakness when one's arguments have no leg to stand on. I am too old to be bothered listening to rude men. Going on ignore.

 

[1an]

You see these two words in Genesis evening and the morning.

That should tell you God is describing a 24hr day but most people have sciences lies to ingrained into their learning to see.

Morning and evening is a whole 'yom' meaning a period of time extending from a few hours till the end of time.

Here is 'yom' in its eternal context
1Ki_9:3 And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually. (yom)

1Ki_12:7 And they spake unto him, saying, If thou wilt be a servant unto this people this day, (yom) and wilt serve them, and answer them, and speak good words to them, then they will be thy servants for ever. (yom)

Gen_6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (yom)

Psalms 23:6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. (yom)
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[Online.Gamer.79]

Those cultures were all wiped out. The only people left were the 8 on the ark.

ROL!!! dude your not getting it..at the time of the flood which according to the bible was 4300 years ago...Egypt was world power of the ancient world the great pyramids had existed for several hundred years...that flood would have wiped them out along with the pyramids. The biblical flood that covered the entire world did not happen. Not if you take the biblical timeline into account

 

[coffee4u]

ROL!!! dude your not getting it..at the time of the flood which according to the bible was 4300 years ago...Egypt was world power of the ancient world the great pyramids had existed for several hundred years...that flood would have wiped them out along with the pyramids. The biblical that covered the entire world did happen. Not if you take the biblical timeline into account

According to the Bible, really? Show me chapter and verse where the Bible says "The flood was 4,300 years ago"

The Bible says that all scripture is God-breathed.
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
All, not some.

God said that the flood would destroy ALL life. Not some life, not local life, ALL life.
17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you, and you will enter the ark—you and your sons and your wife and your sons’ wives with you.

That the only people who survived were those 8 on the ark
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark.
22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

So I guess you are laughing at God because I didn't say it, he did.

 

[1an]

According to the Bible, really? Show me chapter and verse where the Bible says "The flood was 4,300 years ago"

The Bible says that all scripture is God-breathed.
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
All, not some.

God said that the flood would destroy ALL life. Not some life, not local life, ALL life.
17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you, and you will enter the ark—you and your sons and your wife and your sons’ wives with you.

That the only people who survived were those 8 on the ark
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark.
22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

So I guess you are laughing at God because I didn't say it, he did.

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4892 B.C.Adam & Eve (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/Sam Genesis 5:3)
4762 B.C. Seth born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/Sam Genesis 5:6) .
4657 B.C. Enosh born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/Sam Genesis 5:9) .
4567 B.C. Cainan (alt. Kenan) born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/Sam Genesis 5:12) .
4497 B.C. Mahalalel born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/Sam Genesis 5:15) .
4432 B.C. Jared born (D:Heb/70)(B:Heb/70 Genesis 5:18) .
4270 B.C. Enoch born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/Sam Genesis 5:21) .
4205 B.C. Methuselah born (D:Heb/70)(B:Heb/70 Genesis 5:25) .
4018 B.C. Lamech born (D:Heb)(B:Heb Genesis 5:28) .
3962 B.C. Adam dies. (Genesis 5:4) .
3905 B.C. Enoch is taken by God. (Genesis 5:22-23) .
3836 B.C. Noah born (D:Heb/70)(B:Heb/70/Sam Genesis 5:32) .
3334 B.C. Shem born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/70/Sam Genesis 5:10) .
3236 B.C. Methuselah dies (Genesis 5:26-27). Worldwide Flood begins (Genesis 7:6, 11). .
3235 B.C. Flood Ends. (Genesis 8:13-14) Post-Flood
3234 B.C. Arphaxad born (D:Heb/Sam) (B:70/Sam Genesis 11:12) .
3099 B.C. Cainan born (D:70)(B:70 Genesis 11:13 Septuagint only) - Luke 3:36 2

Ancient Near East: Early Bronze Age.
3000 B.C. Sumerian Civilization begins to arise in Mesopotamia (until 2340 B.C.)

Egyptian Civilization begins to arise. Archaic Period. First king Narmer (also called Menes) Writing arises. Era of written history begins.
2969 B.C. Salah (alt. Shelah) born (D:Heb/Sam)(B:70/Sam Genesis 11:14) .
2888 B.C. Noah dies. (Genesis 9:28-29) .

 

[d taylor]

Morning and evening is a whole 'yom' meaning a period of time extending from a few hours till the end of time.

Here is 'yom' in its eternal context
1Ki_9:3 And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually. (yom)

1Ki_12:7 And they spake unto him, saying, If thou wilt be a servant unto this people this day, (yom) and wilt serve them, and answer them, and speak good words to them, then they will be thy servants for ever. (yom)

Gen_6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (yom)

Psalms 23:6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. (yom)
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Morning and evening define yom in Genesis as being connected with a 24 hour day.

If morning and evening were not used with day in Genesis then you can define it like you are trying to do.

Also calling the light day is connected with a day as we know it. Because night is also connected with day as an opposite time period. So go find a night (layil or lel or layelah) connected with age.

 

[1an]

Morning and evening define yom in Genesis as being connected with a 24 hour day.

If morning and evening were not used with day in Genesis then you can define it like you are trying to do.

Also calling the light day is connected with a day as we know it. Because night is also connected with day as an opposite time period. So go find a night (layil or lel or layelah) connected with age.

I am saying that yom is a period of time. If you want to say the creation period was 144 earth hours, then you say it, but based on scripture, we can see that God's time throughout the ages, in His dealings with man and nature, is not measured by the earth's solar system. His calendar is not our calendar, neither is his time our time. Remember, He existed before time began.
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[-57]

Christians who take every part of the bible literally, the flood according to the bible happened a little over 4000 years ago. A global flood like that 20 feet over the tallest mountain. Your water 4 miles deep. A flood like that would have ripped the earth to pieces and flattened every thing. The oldest man made structure go back 10's of thousands of years none of them would have survived the flood. Geology, biology, physics, and astronomy and carbon dating (Advancing technology has allowed radiocarbon dating to become accurate to within just a few decades in many cases). The bible is the history and myths of the Jewish people. That does not mean god is not real but it does mean, the earth is not flat, diseases were caused by germs not evil spirits, the earth is not the center of the universe. The people of the ancient world believed what they believed out of ignorance. Now as for a massive destructive flood like the Black sea flood, that is probably the truth of the flood that every culture on the planet has a story for. But as for the bibles version of the flood it did not happen.

The flood happened. At the time of the flood there was no Mt. Everest....the flood and geological activity caused the mountains as the continents moved and crashed into each other. One way we can see this is through the recumbent folds in the rock strata. The recently deposited rock strata was still somewhat plastic and bent easily where a hard rock strata would snap, crackle and pop.

Radio carbon would be inaccurate as we move backwards down the timeline because the ratios of C14 and C12 would have been different pre-flood.

 

[-57]

I am saying is that yom is a period of time. If you want to say the creation period was 144 earth hours, then you say it, but based on scripture, we can see that God's time throughout the ages, in His dealings with man and nature, is not measured by the earth's solar system. His calendar is not our calendar, neither is his time our time.
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The Ten Commandments tells us it was 24 hour long days.

 

[-57]

ROL!!! dude your not getting it..at the time of the flood which according to the bible was 4300 years ago...Egypt was world power of the ancient world the great pyramids had existed for several hundred years...that flood would have wiped them out along with the pyramids. The biblical that covered the entire world did happen. Not if you take the biblical timeline into account

What makes you think your dates are correct?

 

[-57]

Morning and evening is a whole 'yom' meaning a period of time extending from a few hours till the end of time.

Here is 'yom' in its eternal context
1Ki_9:3 And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually. (yom)

1Ki_12:7 And they spake unto him, saying, If thou wilt be a servant unto this people this day, (yom) and wilt serve them, and answer them, and speak good words to them, then they will be thy servants for ever. (yom)

Gen_6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (yom)

Psalms 23:6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. (yom)
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It depends how you is presented....Yom in Gen 1 is bracketed with morning and evening as well as given a day number. This tells us yom in this instance equals 24 hours.

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

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According to the Bible, really? Show me chapter and verse where the Bible says "The flood was 4,300 years ago"

The bible give a chronological timeline between the times between Adam to Noah, Noah to Abraham, Abraham to David, David to Jesus, and we know Jesus live roughly 2000 years ago. Following that timeline we the biblical flood according to the bible happened about 4300 hundred years ago give or take a hundred years. Man another point the oldest man made structures are 10s of thousands of years old...if the biblical flood of the bible the covered the entire planet happened all of that would have been destroyed...simple Tsunamis flatten towns...a flood like that would destroy everything on the surface of the planet.

 

[coffee4u]

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The bible give a chronological timeline between the times between Adam to Noah, Noah to Abraham, Abraham to David, David to Jesus, and we know Jesus live roughly 2000 years ago. Following that timeline we the biblical flood according to the bible happened about 4300 hundred years ago give or take a hundred years. Man another point the oldest man made structures are 10s of thousands of years old...if the biblical flood of the bible the covered the entire planet happened all of that would have been destroyed...simple Tsunamis flatten towns...a flood like that would destroy everything on the surface of the planet.

They are not chronological timelines to judge years on. They show the important people. Jewish genealogy skips women, it can use a grand father or even great great grandfather and perhaps even further back that we are not even aware of. They are interesting and show some kind of basic lineage structure but I would never use one as a measuring tool. The people are not listed for us to judge times but to take note of who God wants us to know about.
Adam and Eve had many children, maybe dozens of children who are not mentioned, because we don't need to know about them and the same goes for all the other families.

Most of these set ages come from Bishop James Ussher. I wish I still had the page which showed much of the faulty doctrine that he held to but I lost a lot of notes in a Word crash.
You might want to dig into the man that you are trusting on so much for time frames.

What we can know is that creation is a recent event from 6 to 15 thousand years ago and that the flood happened sometime after the creation and fall.
My guess is the ageing tests used are either completely off or if these man-made structures really are 10 thousand years old I would say they happened after the flood, meaning the flood happened much longer ago. I am not held down by exact dates. The fact that James Ussher was presumptuous enough to give an exact date to creation is enough for me to know that he isn't someone to listen to.

"Having established the first day of creation as Sunday 23 October 4004 BC, Ussher calculated the dates of other biblical events, concluding, for example, that Adam and Eve were driven from Paradise on Monday 10 November 4004 BC, and that the ark touched down on Mt Ararat on 5 May 2348 BC `on a Wednesday'."
Bishop Ussher Dates the World: 4004 BC
No one has the right to give such dates, it smacks of fake prophets, like those people who give dates for the return of Christ.
If you want to follow Ussher be my guest but I do not believe in his set out dates or years.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you want to follow Ussher be my guest but I do not believe in his set out dates or years.

Do you object to Ussher's dates being used as superficial dates? such as when someone asks what year the Flood was, and you can answer with Ussher's date of the Flood, even though he may be slightly off by just a matter of degrees.

In other words, use Ussher's dates for the sake of Occam's razor.

 

[coffee4u]

Do you object to Ussher's dates being used as superficial dates? such as when someone asks what year the Flood was, and you can answer with Ussher's date of the Flood, even though he may be slightly off by just a matter of degrees.

In other words, use Ussher's dates for the sake of Occam's razor.

I don't use his dates at all, I prefer simply to say creation-fall-flood happened and that it was recent within some 6-15 thousand years. That is good enough for me. If we are talking Occam's razor than my method is the simplest.

Someone good at photoshop could change that to Creation-Fall-Flood on the left and Convoluted ageing methods on the right.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't use his dates at all, I prefer simply to say creation-fall-flood happened and that it was recent within some 6-15 thousand years.

Don't you think that's kinda disrespectful though, to what the person is asking?

If you asked me when my birthday was, and I said some 4 to 8 decades ago, would you be satisfied with that answer?

I mean ... I can understand you don't know the exact year of the Flood.

Neither do I.

But for the sake of the conversation, I at least give them something to go on.

 

[coffee4u]

Don't you think that's kinda disrespectful though, to what the person is asking?

If you asked me when my birthday was, and I said some 4 to 8 decades ago, would you be satisfied with that answer?

I mean ... I can understand you don't know the exact year of the Flood.

Neither do I.

But for the sake of the conversation, I at least give them something to go on.

Who is asking?

I would tell them that I don't know, because I don't.
You know when your birthday is.

 

[AV1611VET]

Who is asking?

I would tell them that I don't know, because I don't.
You know when your birthday is.

Fair enough.

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

Fair enough.

Man no matter how you look at it such a flood would have wiped every single thing man has down in the last 100000 years. The oldest human settlements date back that far...those settlements would exist man. Copernicus And Galileo proved the earth revolves around the sun...that it is not the center of the universe. The church fought those teaching as well. We now know disease is caused by germs not evil spirits, and can be treated with simple medication. We the know the earth is not flat. The bible your reading was created about 1700 year ago by a bunch of priest were it was edited, books were added and remove over roughly 200 year period. This is not saying god does not exist cause he does. I am saying much of the bible is a bunch of edited books that were written decades after Christ and his disciples died.

 

[coffee4u]

Man no matter how you look at it such a flood would have wiped every single thing man has down in the last 100000 years. The oldest human settlements date back that far...those settlements would exist man. Copernicus And Galileo proved the earth revolves around the sun...that it is not the center of the universe. The church fought those teaching as well. We now know disease is caused by germs not evil spirits, and can be treated with simple medication. We the know the earth is not flat. The bible your reading was created about 1700 year ago by a bunch of priest were it was edited, books were added and remove over roughly 200 year period. This is not saying god does not exist cause he does. I am saying much of the bible is a bunch of edited books that were written decades after Christ and his disciples died.

Just as well the Bible doesn't teach flat earth or that disease is caused by evil spirits, isn't it?
Don't know what' Bible' you are reading but mine doesn't teach that.
It doesn't matter what you think of God's word, God has already told us and I think I would rather believe him than you.
2 Timothy 3:16-17

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.