Noah's ark - How??

[EnemyPartyII]

The “fountains of the great deep” are mentioned before the “windows of heaven,” indicating either relative importance or the order of events.

except... there arent any great stores of water deep under the Earth... not enough to flood the entire planet anyway... there aren't any windows into heaven with the water on the other side, are there?

 

[PenelopePitstop2]

except... there arent any great stores of water deep under the Earth... not enough to flood the entire planet anyway... there aren't any windows into heaven with the water on the other side, are there?

The flooding due to under the ocean water suggests a world-wide fracturing of the earth’s crust and the violent expulsion of water, vapours and other subterranean material such as volcanic lava. New evidence from inside the earth casts intriguing light on this global-scale scenario.

Scientists have long thought that the hot interior of the earth would be very dry, because the heat would have vaporised and driven off any water. But according to a report in New Scientist, certain minerals, even under the intense heat and pressure deep underground, can store lots of water. Models of the mantle, that part of the earth between the molten core and the solid crust, and notably the ‘transition zone’ between the upper and lower mantle, now describe it as ‘sopping wet’.

What’s more, it seems that hot wet rocks are more unstable than hot dry rocks. This new information may now explain ‘why massive volcanic outbursts suddenly flood[ed] hundreds of thousands of square kilometres of land with lava’, as observed in a number of different parts of the geological record.

There are a few good papers on this which are quite technical but if you are interested one about the plates etc. is below. There is a lot in publications like new scientist too.

http://www.globalflood.org/papers/2003ICCcpt.html

The bible states about the water from heaven and there is some evidence of the earth having a water layer above the ozone in earlier times. Could this be the waters in the heavens that scripture speaks of, I'm not sure. If I can find anything in the articles I've got that show studies on this I'll let you know.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Scientists have long thought that the hot interior of the earth would be very dry, because the heat would have vaporised and driven off any water. But according to a report in New Scientist, certain minerals, even under the intense heat and pressure deep underground, can store lots of water. Models of the mantle, that part of the earth between the molten core and the solid crust, and notably the ‘transition zone’ between the upper and lower mantle, now describe it as ‘sopping wet’.

very interesting. Do you have a link to the New Scientist article?

and there is some evidence of the earth having a water layer above the ozone in earlier times.

be very interested in this evidence too

 

[Seekermeister]

The dinosaurs came from an age before the 6 days of creation huh? Interesting they were apparently so successful without either plants or sunlight.

You are being intentionally obtuse, so I won't waste words responding.

 

[PenelopePitstop2]

very interesting. Do you have a link to the New Scientist article?

be very interested in this evidence too

http://environment.newscientist.com...01.700-hidden-antarctica-terra-incognita.html

This one is about the water underground in antartica, I diasagree with the milion of years aspect but agree that the water is under there.

There are loads of articles that suport it in the secular.

http://environment.newscientist.com...700-the-day-tectonic-plates-come-to-rest.html

This one is about the plates and how they allow oceans of water to seep through when they move.

 

[Zeena]

Animals, and humans (for that matter) can survive at LEAST 3 months without ANY food

Water, however, is essential.. And we all know there was lotsa a dat! HeH

 

[Seekermeister]

Animals, and humans (for that matter) can survive at LEAST 3 months without ANY food

Water, however, is essential.. And we all know there was lotsa a dat! HeH

The Bible specifically says that Noah provided the ark with food for both himself, his family and the animals. I would assume that included water also, because I would imagine that the outside water was undrinkable.

 

[Calminian]

The Bible specifically says that Noah provided the ark with food for both himself, his family and the animals. I would assume that included water also, because I would imagine that the outside water was undrinkable.

Pretty much agree, but would also point out there was a lot of rainwater available and it seems likely God would have designed some kind of mechanism in the Ark to catch it. Jonathan Sarfati, touched in this in the article, How did all the animals fit on Noah's Ark?

Food requirements
The Ark would probably have carried compressed and dried foodstuffs, and probably a lot of concentrated food. Perhaps Noah fed the cattle mainly on grain, plus some hay for fibre. Woodmorappe calculated that the volume of foodstuffs would have been only about 15 % of the Ark’s total volume. Drinking water would only have taken up 9.4 % of the volume. This volume would be reduced further if rainwater was collected and piped into troughs.

 

[Deiphage]

One of my main questions is how did Noah keep animals from the arctic, and animals from the desert alive together on the same boat? Did he have refrigeration?

 

[Calminian]

One of my main questions is how did Noah keep animals from the arctic, and animals from the desert alive together on the same boat? Did he have refrigeration?

I saw polar bears and penguins at the San Diego Zoo.

 

[Zeena]

The Bible specifically says that Noah provided the ark with food for both himself, his family and the animals. I would assume that included water also, because I would imagine that the outside water was undrinkable.

Oh, sorry, I was referring to AFTER the flood and the drying up of such.. hehe

As a previous poster had pointed out they'd have nothing to eat AFTER the flood..hehe

 

[Deiphage]

I saw polar bears and penguins at the San Diego Zoo.

Yes, but how did he provide comfortable temperatures for them and for lizards which are only comfortable in temperatures of at least 75 degrees?

 

[Deiphage]

How did fish survive?

 

[Deiphage]

Pretty much agree, but would also point out there was a lot of rainwater available and it seems likely God would have designed some kind of mechanism in the Ark to catch it. Jonathan Sarfati, touched in this in the article, How did all the animals fit on Noah's Ark?

The Ark would probably have carried compressed and dried foodstuffs, and probably a lot of concentrated food. Perhaps Noah fed the cattle mainly on grain, plus some hay for fibre. Woodmorappe calculated that the volume of foodstuffs would have been only about 15 % of the Ark’s total volume. Drinking water would only have taken up 9.4 % of the volume. This volume would be reduced further if rainwater was collected and piped into troughs.

What about predators that need living prey foods to survive? Or insects that feed off of living plants?

Also, how did viruses and parasites stay alive?

 

[Seekermeister]

Deiphage,

Yes, but how did he provide comfortable temperatures for them and for lizards which are only comfortable in temperatures of at least 75 degrees?

Before the flood, the Earth was covered in a canopy of clouds, the greenhouse effect would have caused temperatures across the Earth to be fairly even. There is no reason to believe that the temperatures inside the ark were any different.

How did fish survive?

In the water.

 

[Seekermeister]

What about predators that need living prey foods to survive? Or insects that feed off of living plants?

Also, how did viruses and parasites stay alive?

Prior to the flood, there were no predators. Insects, viruses, germs etc. would have had no problem surviving, they didn't need the ark.

 

[Seekermeister]

Oh, sorry, I was referring to AFTER the flood and the drying up of such.. hehe

As a previous poster had pointed out they'd have nothing to eat AFTER the flood..hehe

Regrowth of the plant life had begun long before Noah departed the ark. This is evidenced by the olive leaf "plucked off" in the mouth of the dove.

 

[Deiphage]

Before the flood, the Earth was covered in a canopy of clouds, the greenhouse effect would have caused temperatures across the Earth to be fairly even. There is no reason to believe that the temperatures inside the ark were any different.

What temperature were they kept at? Animals with different climatary needs cannot survive at the same temperature. And what about humidity? Desert species would suffer greatly and would be prone to illness.

In the water.

But what about freshwater fish? And the water would be full of corpses and decaying vegetable matter, hardly the place delicate species of fish could survive in. Not to mention the climate change that would result from a massive downpour, and the salt water would spread everywhere...

And what about plant species? Most would be completely wiped out.

 

[Deiphage]

Regrowth of the plant life had begun long before Noah departed the ark. This is evidenced by the olive leaf "plucked off" in the mouth of the dove.

HOW? If there was no land for an olive tree to grow on, how could one have reached maturity that fast?

 

[Deiphage]

Prior to the flood, there were no predators. Insects, viruses, germs etc. would have had no problem surving, they didn't need the ark.

No, but they need hosts. And land. A cockroach will die floating in the sea for 40 days, not to mention more delicate species such as walking sticks and catapillars and all. Certain species of caterpillar need specific plants to feed on. Living plants. Those plants would die.

And the Bible says specifically that ALL land animals were on the boat. (Gen. 7.8.)

And it says that any land animal not aboard the ark died. (Gen. 7:21-23)

So you don't believe any predators lived before the flood? How did ecosystems function? Wouldn't it just be an exponential growth of prey-species which would wipe out all plant life on the planet? Imagine if there was nothing keeping rabbits in check.