Noah way?

[PsychoSarah]

Wow.

If someone snatched your purse, would you chase them down the street apologizing?

I don't view blocking me as a crime against me, as I would theft, but rather as a response to something offensive I must have done. Having a social disorder, not knowing what I did wrong is a common problem, so I always try to find out so that I can prevent myself from making the same mistakes in the future.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't view blocking me as a crime against me, as I would theft, but rather as a response to something offensive I must have done. Having a social disorder, not knowing what I did wrong is a common problem, so I always try to find out so that I can prevent myself from making the same mistakes in the future.

Well, Sarah, for the record, I've been blocked by several people ... and you know what?

I don't care.

Having a social disorder, not knowing what I did wrong is a common problem, so I always try to find out so that I can prevent myself from making the same mistakes in the future.

What if I told you I would block you the next time you mentioned evolution?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Well, Sarah, for the record, I've been blocked by several people ... and you know what?
I don't care.
What if I told you I would block you the next time you mentioned evolution?

It would bother me that you would find that to be reason enough to block me, and if you did that you might as well not be in this part of the forum considering that evolution is going to come up. I would live, of course, but it wouldn't make me happy.

 

[AV1611VET]

It would bother me that you would find that to be reason enough to block me, and if you did that you might as well not be in this part of the forum considering that evolution is going to come up. I would live, of course, but it wouldn't make me happy.

Well, I'm certainly not going to fault your sensitivity.

You sound like you genuinely care.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Well, I'm certainly not going to fault your sensitivity.

You sound like you genuinely care.

Sometimes, I wish I didn't care. Caring about some things can be painful, especially if they are simple things most people don't care much about.

 

[Elendur]

Read the Bible.

Isaiah 54:9
“For this is like the days of Noah to me: as I swore that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth, so I have sworn that I will not be angry with you and will not rebuke you.

Matthew 24:37-39
As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they did not know until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of man.

Jesus refers to the days of Noah not some story.


Luke 17:26
As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of man.

Luke 17:27
They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.

Hebrews 11:7
By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, took heed and constructed an ark for the saving of his household; by this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness which comes by faith.

1 Peter 3:20
who formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water.

2 Peter 2:5
if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven other persons, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;

2 Peter 3:5-6
They deliberately ignore this fact, that by the word of God heavens existed long ago, and an earth formed out of water and by means of water, 6 through which the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.

Peter is so bold as to call it a fact.

I don't care about the bible.
I expect you to respect the rules of the forum you're on. I repeat:

● Do not state or imply that another member or group of members who have identified themselves as Christian are not Christian.
● Those who do not adhere to the Statement of Faith are welcome as members and participants in discussions, but you are required to respect these beliefs, even if you do not share them.

 

[Dizredux]

Have you considered that many of us don't consider rejection of the Scriptures to be Christ like?

Jesus believed in the flood. Do Christians who reject the flood think they now something He did not?

Jesus quoted Genesis as historical fact. Do Christians who reject Genesis think He was completely mistaken?

For the Christians who reject the Scriptures, on what do they base their rejection? Certainly nothing they can cite in the Scriptures themselves indicate that it's nothing more than a collection of mythology. If it was, why would anyone believe any of it?

Theistic evolution is a cross between the truth of the Scriptures and the lie of evolution. Blending a lie into the truth makes it no longer the truth. That's the problem I have with theistic evolutionists or Christians who reject the Bible. The only basis for what they believe appears to be what they choose to accept to reject.

Sigh and here I thought Jesus preached a message of love and acceptance.

Christians who accept science and evolution do not reject Scriptures, they just reject *your* interpretation of those Scriptures. I suspect that it is God who knows what he meant not you.

You might also consider that beside the Scriptures there are the works of God, the universe and world that we live in. To me, if you take the view you do you reject the evidence of God's works.

Dizredux

 

[Dizredux]

Have you considered that many of us don't consider rejection of the Scriptures to be Christ like?

Theistic evolution is a cross between the truth of the Scriptures and the lie of evolution. Blending a lie into the truth makes it no longer the truth. That's the problem I have with theistic evolutionists or Christians who reject the Bible. The only basis for what they believe appears to be what they choose to accept to reject.

Yep, no true Christian. If you do not believe as KW tells you to believe, you reject the Bible.

The love overwhelms.

Dizredux

 

[MarkT]

Sigh and here I thought Jesus preached a message of love and acceptance.

Christians who accept science and evolution do not reject Scriptures, they just reject *your* interpretation of those Scriptures. I suspect that it is God who knows what he meant not you.

You might also consider that beside the Scriptures there are the works of God, the universe and world that we live in. To me, if you take the view you do you reject the evidence of God's works.

Dizredux

How does that make sense? If you believe God created them then you must be a Creationist.

 

[Loudmouth]

Nice try, but I'm not going to break forum rules.

I'm saying that what they believe has no basis in the Scriptures, nor is it supported by science.

We've heard this speil before.

"First, . . . to want to affirm that in reality the sun is at the center of the world and only turns on itself without moving from east to west, and the earth . . . revolves with great speed about the sun . . . is a very dangerous thing, likely not only to irritate all scholastic philosophers and theologians, but also to harm the Holy Faith by rendering Holy Scripture false."--Cardinal Bellarmine, 1615

I think it is also worth mentioning that Cardinal Bellarmine ran Galileo's inquisition proceedings.

Let's also go over the other things that have no basis in scriptures. We have atoms, gravity, quantum mechanics, viruses, . . . I could go on forever. If you are going to reject any science not mentioned in scripture, then you are going to have to reject much more than evolution.

Also, if you are going to claim that evolution is not supported by science, then demonstrate it.

Christ did not teach that man evolved. He taught that the Scriptures were true and that the flood was a real event involving the people mentioned in Genesis.

Please show us the scripture where Jesus says that the flood was a real event.

Evolution says it's all a lie; that man evolved from simple chemicals over millions of years and there was no involvement of any God.

Scriptures says that God put a rainbow in the sky. Science says that rainbows are the product of light refracting through raindrops. Who is right?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yep, no true Christian. If you do not believe as KW tells you to believe, you reject the Bible.

The love overwhelms.

Dizredux

That is a bad thing to say according to the rules of this forum. You cannot tell someone that they are not a "true Christian" because they accept evolution.

And remember, worldwide you are in the minority of even Christians. Only in the U.S. are there perhaps a majority of Christians that do not accept the theory of evolution.

You would not like it if I said you were not a true Christian for not accepting a theory that most Christians accept. You should not claim other Christians are not true Christians for accepting evolution.

 

[Loudmouth]

How does that make sense? If you believe God created them then you must be a Creationist.

Are there any scientific theories that you do accept?

 

[Subduction Zone]

How does that make sense? If you believe God created them then you must be a Creationist.

It depends upon how you define the term "creationist".

If a Christian believes that God started the universe and then everything evolved naturally, which many do, is that Christian a "creationist"? Most Christians know that Adam and Eve and Noah's Ark are just myths.

 

[MarkT]

Why does your message of love and redemption sound eerily akin to a threat from a mob boss?

Sorry. I get a little angry sometimes.

For the sake of your soul, listen to me. There is going to be a judgment and vengeance. The Lord is going to win. If you do not believe in the Son of God, you have no chance. It's believe or be destroyed. There is no third option.

 

[Aman777]

Are there any scientific theories that you do accept?

Dear Loudmouth, Sure. All of them. Are there any Christian doctrines that you accept?

BTW, The ToE is NOT Science, but instead, is a Satanic Lie which is being forced upon our innocent children in the Public Schools of the United States. God have mercy on the souls of those who are offending these little ones by falsely teaching them that they evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. Mat 18:6

In Love,
Aman

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry. I get a little angry sometimes.

For the sake of your soul, listen to me. There is going to be a judgment and vengeance. The Lord is going to win. If you do not believe in the Son of God, you have no chance. It's believe or be destroyed. There is no third option.

The number one Christian in the world does not seem to agree with you. The pope said something on the order that just because someone is an atheist does not mean he will not go to heaven.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Dear Loudmouth, Sure. All of them. Are there any Christian doctrines that you accept?

BTW, The ToE is NOT Science, but instead, is a Satanic Lie which is being forced upon our innocent children in the Public Schools of the United States. God have mercy on the souls of those who are offending these little ones by falsely teaching them that they evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. Mat 18:6

In Love,
Aman

If you reject science then you are in no position to tell people what is or what is not a scientific idea. Since evolution is based upon the scientific method it is clearly scientific.

And remember, we are still apes.

 

[Dizredux]

How does that make sense? If you believe God created them then you must be a Creationist.

It is my religious faith that I believe that God made the universe and all that is in it. I don't know this to be true. For me it is simply faith and that is enough for me.

I try to understand and follow God's plans as best I can. I do not insist that God adhere to anyone's interpretation of God's Bible much less mine. To me it would be more than a bit of Hubris to insist that.

I look at God's Bible and God's works and try to figure out the best way to understand them. Rejecting God's works is not something that makes sense to me. Your mileage may vary and that's OK.

I would never say that anyone's belief is wrong. That is between God and themselves. I will say that someone's facts are incorrect. Being a Christian does not give us our own private set of facts.

Take care,

Dizredux

 

[Loudmouth]

Dear Loudmouth, Sure. All of them.

Do you think accepting a scientific explanation means that you reject the idea that God plays a role in that natural process?

BTW, The ToE is NOT Science, but instead, is a Satanic Lie which is being forced upon our innocent children in the Public Schools of the United States.

Then demonstrate that it is a lie using scientific evidence.

 

[Dizredux]

I think that this discussion over who or who is not a "True Christian" is a good place to also discuss this.

A major issue in Christanity today is that young people are leaving the church in droves.

The Southern Baptists were shocked at these figures.

the Southern Baptist Convention submitted a resolution in June 2004 which cites a SBC study conducted in 2002. The study found that 88% of all children are leaving the church permanently.

Baptist Press -Family Life Council says it's time to bring family back to life - News with a Christian Perspective

Other research especially by the Barna Group (an organization of Christian pollsters examining Christian issues) report similar findings. Barna considers it a serious enough problem to have produced a book that explores this issue: "You Lost Me: Why Young Christians Are Leaving Church...and Rethinking Faith" of which I have a copy.

Here are the top 6 reasons listed.

Reason #1 – Churches seem overprotective.
Reason #2 – Teens’ and twentysomethings’ experience of Christianity is shallow.
Reason #3 – Churches come across as antagonistic to science
Reason #4 – Young Christians’ church experiences related to sexuality are often simplistic, judgmental.
Reason #5 – They wrestle with the exclusive nature of Christianity.
Reason #6 – The church feels unfriendly to those who doubt.

This thread, at least to me, exemplifies reason 3, 5 and 6.

#3 is self evident here.

Number 5 to me can be involved in the fact that many act as if someone not agreeing with a specific interpretation of the Bible as somehow unworthy of God's love unless they believe as they are told. If you don't believe in a six day creation then you are unworthy to be called a Christian. Christian posters might look in a mirror on this.

There are some here who seem to be very unfriendly to those who doubt insisting that their particular view must be accepted by others.

This is of importance to me. Each Christian must take their own stock of how their postings impact people trying to figure out their faith. Don't drive them away. On this forum, I would suggest arguing facts not religious belief. I know it isn't going to happen but I can suggest.

Dizredux