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I always find this statement interesting. One sees it often used in the setting of a Christian forum to simply dismiss an opposing view, rather than dealing with it.
What, precisely, do you mean by the "human perspective". What specifically in my posts suggest that my view does not also cohere with committed Christian faith?
You misunderstand. I am not spreading falseness, I am not preaching, and the message is not mine. I am giving what has been given to me.
1) I am not giving my perspective.
You concern yourself with the cares of this world, expecting that God should fit into your world in a way that does not move you from what you believe and know. The world is His footstool, He is not your fuzzy slippers.
You have zero evidence, if course, to support this outrageous presumption:
Impossible. No one can say this - every view is someone's view. Unless you have developed the magical ability to "step outside yourself", you are, by simple necessity, presenting views that originate from your particular perspective.
Do you really believe that readers will accept your argument that you do not actually need to make a case for your particular position? Let's recap: I challenged you on your characterization of science. I did not simply deny your position, I provided at least some reasons why your view might not be accurate. Your response:
That is a dodge, it is an evasion of your responsibility to actually engage my arguments. If you want to engage in an adult interaction, you cannot simply evade the arguments that others put forward - you not to deal with them, in all their details.
As a Christian, I am embarrassed by the quality of the views expressed on these boards by other believers. I completely understand why the atheists and agnostics here are only further convinced of their positions by the frankly zany stuff that many Christians post. Although this will come off as somewhat immodest, I would like to think that I present a counterexample to the soft and muddle-headed thinking and absurd arguments that Christians too often present in these forums.
That, of course, though you do not even consider it, would be like asking a baker how many papers they have published on the chemical make up of baking powder. A baker bakes. I guess you didn't know that.
All human-centric.
1) It's called: being objective. It's not impossible.
What do you mean, exactly? Yes, I am a human being. Guilty as charged. But are you not one as well? Why - and please give actual reasons, not slogans - are my views somehow defective because I happen to be a human being?
It certainly is impossible. You are a fallible human being as much as the rest of us. We can all try, and to some measure, succeed in seeing things from a different perspective. But are always going to be influenced by the complex set of assumptions and beliefs that our life's path has loaded us with. It is structurally not possible to "step outside yourself" and the world from an objective point of view. Nobody can do this.
Your post illustrates another commonly seen problem with the way at least some Christians express their views. Yes, the Scriptures do indeed tell us that followers of Jesus will be wrongfully condemned. But surely that does not mean that we are above error! You appear to, yet again, think you have a "get out jail free" card here - someone challenges your view and you simply state that the challenger is "persecuting the faithful". Well, sometimes believers need to be set straight and using the excuse that you are being "persecuted" to avoid actually dealing with clear objections to your position does not, I suggest, reflect well on the church.
