No such thing as emergent properties

[Noxot]

the microtubles of neurons do most of the activity. you can take the nucleus out of the neuron and the neuron will still function for a while.

microtubules of neurons interact with quantum field vibrations. people thought it was not possible but it was proven in 2014 that they occur in the gamma spectrum of brain wave range.

gamma waves happen to be highly correlated with higher human virtues such as love and feelings of positive psychological mindsets. gamma waves are measured highest in the monks of tibet who meditate for long periods of time.

 

[Sorn]

the microtubles of neurons do most of the activity. you can take the nucleus out of the neuron and the neuron will still function for a while.

microtubules of neurons interact with quantum field vibrations. people thought it was not possible but it was proven in 2014 that they occur in the gamma spectrum of brain wave range.

gamma waves happen to be highly correlated with higher human virtues such as love and feelings of positive psychological mindsets. gamma waves are measured highest in the monks of tibet who meditate for long periods of time.

This doesn't explain how consciousness arises, the bolded is just speculation at this point.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

... for the purpose of the OP the point is that even if you regard 'wetting' as an emergent property of water then it is one that if FULLY explainable by the underlying components and their interactions with each other, ie water molecules, and the solid in question. It is NOT magic.

I agree; no magic necessary, no magic involved.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

the microtubles of neurons do most of the activity. you can take the nucleus out of the neuron and the neuron will still function for a while.

microtubules of neurons interact with quantum field vibrations. people thought it was not possible but it was proven in 2014 that they occur in the gamma spectrum of brain wave range.

gamma waves happen to be highly correlated with higher human virtues such as love and feelings of positive psychological mindsets. gamma waves are measured highest in the monks of tibet who meditate for long periods of time.

I would take Hameroff & Penrose's OrchOR ideas with a very large pinch of salt, if I were you. It is speculative to the point of being quantum woo - and the fact that they are now associated with Deepak Chopra should raise warning flags.

Quite apart from the vagueness of the larger Orch-OR picture, if you read Bandyopadhyay's paper on microtubule resonance, you'll find it remarkably thin on experimental detail and inexplicably concerned with seeming irrelevances, such the optical properties of neuronal microtubules normally buried deep within the skull... The same shortcomings are characteristic of his other related papers, and of Orch-OR itself - some very specific biochemical observations followed by vague and expansive hand-waving about their application to possible macro-scale ideas for which no supporting evidence is supplied. None of it has the qualities or characteristics of good quality experimental biology.

Just sayin'

 

[Noxot]

I would take Hameroff & Penrose's OrchOR ideas with a very large pinch of salt, if I were you. It is speculative to the point of being quantum woo - and the fact that they are now associated with Deepak Chopra should raise warning flags.

Quite apart from the vagueness of the larger Orch-OR picture, if you read Bandyopadhyay's paper on microtubule resonance, you'll find it remarkably thin on experimental detail and inexplicably concerned with seeming irrelevances, such the optical properties of neuronal microtubules normally buried deep within the skull... The same shortcomings are characteristic of his other related papers, and of Orch-OR itself - some very specific biochemical observations followed by vague and expansive hand-waving about their application to possible macro-scale ideas for which no supporting evidence is supplied. None of it has the qualities or characteristics of good quality experimental biology.

Just sayin'

do you know if anyone ever discovered how anesthesia works? that would be helpful since hameroff claimed something like it blocks quantum activity in the brain.

 

[Sorn]

do you know if anyone ever discovered how anesthesia works?

Seems like it has and its got nothing to do with quantum fields:
Anesthetic Propofol works by inhibiting neural connections

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

do you know if anyone ever discovered how anesthesia works? that would be helpful since hameroff claimed something like it blocks quantum activity in the brain.

The precise mechanism of action isn't clear, and there may be more than one mechanism, but they reduce synaptic transmission in some neurons and raise the threshold of activation for others; the net result is that they degrade the widescale integration and synchronisation across the brain that is characteristic of consciousness, so that neural activity is constrained to local areas rather than propagating across the brain.

Hameroff's claim is pseudoscientific, proposing the disruption of something entirely speculative as a mechanism of action. He might as well say that anaesthetics make the consciousness pixies go deaf...