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I do not recognize the terminology of men , just scripture : there are endless terms of men , 99% of Which are false : spare me the egoistic terms of men and just give me God’s word when you talk to me : According as he hath chosen us in him before the world even began : the very hairs of our head are numbered : so don’t try and tell me he cannot know his people ahead of time : See Romans 9(11-20) : Acts 13(48): As many as were ordained to eternal life believed : so don’t try and tell me that God’s people are not pre ordained even before this world began !
 
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Because people keep blaspheming God By saying he did not create all things such as evil and scripture clearly says that he did : Isaiah 45(7), Prov 16(4) : I must expose that lie about God !

It is utterly the height of blasphemy to falsely accuse God of creating evil.

If the Lord Himself says, Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. (Matthew 7:16-18)

Just because you read that Scripture says God created evil, this does not automatically mean that you should understand the text literally and in a sinful way. Do you then take your literalist perspective and preach that a man must literally cut his hand off if it causes him to stumble? And do you also think that men should literally castrate themselves so that they can be eunuchs for the Kingdom's sake?

But you exceed absurdity by saying that He who is Holy, Pure, All-Good, Giver of Life, is willing to create something entirely contrary to His essence. That is accursed folly. A good God cannot bring forth evil just as a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit. Everything that God has created is good, and we were indeed created very good.

God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man (James 1:13)

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. (John 1:4-5)

God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. (1 John 1:5)

What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. (Romans 9:14)


Now, if you say that evil is not contrary to the Light, Righteousness, and Life, then you prove yourself a liar. But if you say that evil opposes these things, then repent and cease your blasphemy, and glorify God righteously by deeming Him the Author of Goodness and Life and Righteousness, not evil, not sin, not wickedness, not unrighteousness, not darkness.


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It is to be observed that it is the custom in the Holy Scripture to speak of God's permission as His energy, as when the apostle says in the Epistle to the Romans, Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour and another unto dishonour? And for this reason, that He Himself makes this or that. For He is Himself alone the Maker of all things; yet it is not He Himself that fashions noble or ignoble things, but the personal choice of each one. And this is manifest from what the same Apostle says in the Second Epistle to Timothy, In a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth: and some to honour and some to dishonour. If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. And it is evident that the purification must be voluntary: for if a man, he saith, purge himself. And the consequent antistrophe responds, "If a man purge not himself he will be a vessel to dishonour, unmeet for the master's use and fit only to be broken in pieces." Wherefore this passage that we have quoted and this, God hath concluded them all in unbelief, and this, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, all these must be understood not as though God Himself were energising, but as though God were permitting, both because of free-will and because goodness knows no compulsion.

His permission, therefore, is usually spoken of in the Holy Scripture as His energy and work. Nay, even when He says that God creates evil things, and that there is no evil in a city that the Lord hath not done, he does not mean by these words that the Lord is the cause of evil, but the word 'evil' is used in two ways, with two meanings. For sometimes it means what is evil by nature, and this is the opposite of virtue and the will of God: and sometimes it means that which is evil and oppressive to our sensation, that is to say, afflictions and calamities. Now these are seemingly evil because they are painful, but in reality are good. For to those who understand they became ambassadors of conversion and salvation. The Scripture says that of these God is the Author.

It is, moreover, to be observed that of these, too, we are the cause: for involuntary evils are the offspring of voluntary ones.
 
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Get it through your head : We have no will : ALL things are worked after God’s will : We are just clay in the potters hands : He began the work , not us , and he will finish it , not us : Stop exalting man with power that he does not have : Jer 10(23) , Eph 2(8-10) ! !

If you have no will, and right now you only act according to God's will, explain to me how it is possible for God's will to be compelling you to blaspheme His Holy name with your detestable lies of the devil and accuse The HOLY Trinity of being the source of evil.

God does not will that His glorious Name be defamed by false accusations through a false prophet like you. Repent and believe the gospel. What you believe and preach originates from the father of lies, not the Father of Light.
 
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If you are trying to say that God is only in control of govt authorities , You are totally lost : Eph 1(11): He is before all things , and by him all things consist : What part of all things do you not understand : this is not just govt authorities : This is all things : How blind can you be ? All things means all things !
I never said God is in control of government authorities only

I merely pointed out that Paul is speaking of governments, laws, ordinances ministers of the law and taxes and tribute in that section in context. You took it way out of context and tried to apply the word “power” to all things. I showed you that the word power in Acts 1 is a different word in Greek for power in Romans 13. Butyou try to make them the same it seems.

All civil governments find thier root in God who works the work of the law in their hearts Romans 2:14,15 and they all feel This work of the law pressing their conscience even if they are unaware of it. So God is the one who convicts the heart and men try to live up to that work of the law in their heart and so civil government is set up to try and legislate righteousness and keep ordervand tears in the evil. . Even though this won’t save them. But believers are to obey every ordinance of man for the Lords sake.

And even though God is before all things and he is the creator there are some things God CANNOT do as scripture clearly teaches. God cannot lie, he cannot deny himself, he cannot change.

Yes scripture says he “CANNOT” do these. To say God can lie goes against scripture. Satan is the father of lies. And God cannot deny himself. So when a person denies him God did not make him deny himself.

These are very basic and clear things . Or they should be .

Study to shew thyself approved unto God
a workman that needeth not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth .

And God cannot do iniquity as scripture teaches. To say he can is to charge Gid with sin which is very serious

So when a person dies iniquity it is not by God’s power forcing him to sin

Such thinking is so contrary to scripture
 
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Get it through your head : We have no will : ALL things are worked after God’s will : We are just clay in the potters hands : He began the work , not us , and he will finish it , not us : Stop exalting man with power that he does not have : Jer 10(23) , Eph 2(8-10) ! !
There are things in scripture that God does not do or did or that even came to his mind to do and
If you are trying to say that God is only in control of govt authorities , You are totally lost : Eph 1(11): He is before all things , and by him all things consist : What part of all things do you not understand : this is not just govt authorities : This is all things : How blind can you be ? All things means all things !
there are many things that God did not do in scripture and things that never came to his mind to do but that men did as scripture clearly says,

“ Jeremiah 19 - 5. They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:

Please answer this scripture and don’t quote another scripture out of context to try and avoid it.

And we read

Zephaniah 3 - 5. The just LORD is in the midst thereof; he will not do iniquity: every morning doth he bring his judgment to light, he faileth not; but the unjust knoweth no shame. “

God does no iniquity
 
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Modern new perverted , satanic bible translations change this : The KJV is the purest translation : these new translations are flat out lies !

What you can do is check: www.studylight.org to see which greek words are used. KJV is not bad, but it's often helpful to check a few other bibles to better understand the meaning.
 
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Get it through your head : We have no will : ALL things are worked after God’s will : We are just clay in the potters hands : He began the work , not us , and he will finish it , not us : Stop exalting man with power that he does not have : Jer 10(23) , Eph 2(8-10) ! !
I'll get the Bible into and through my head, but not your interpretations, as they are completely wack. Or at the very least you're just not reading carefully enough.

Once you admitted to being KJV-only, you lost me. That whole KJV-only thing is almost cultish.

My conversation with you will no longer be fruitful. Grace and peace to you.
 
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It is utterly the height of blasphemy to falsely accuse God of creating evil.

If the Lord Himself says, Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. (Matthew 7:16-18)

Just because you read that Scripture says God created evil, this does not automatically mean that you should understand the text literally and in a sinful way. Do you then take your literalist perspective and preach that a man must literally cut his hand off if it causes him to stumble? And do you also think that men should literally castrate themselves so that they can be eunuchs for the Kingdom's sake?

But you exceed absurdity by saying that He who is Holy, Pure, All-Good, Giver of Life, is willing to create something entirely contrary to His essence. That is accursed folly. A good God cannot bring forth evil just as a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit. Everything that God has created is good, and we were indeed created very good.

God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man (James 1:13)

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. (John 1:4-5)

God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. (1 John 1:5)

What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. (Romans 9:14)


Now, if you say that evil is not contrary to the Light, Righteousness, and Life, then you prove yourself a liar. But if you say that evil opposes these things, then repent and cease your blasphemy, and glorify God righteously by deeming Him the Author of Goodness and Life and Righteousness, not evil, not sin, not wickedness, not unrighteousness, not darkness.


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It is to be observed that it is the custom in the Holy Scripture to speak of God's permission as His energy, as when the apostle says in the Epistle to the Romans, Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour and another unto dishonour? And for this reason, that He Himself makes this or that. For He is Himself alone the Maker of all things; yet it is not He Himself that fashions noble or ignoble things, but the personal choice of each one. And this is manifest from what the same Apostle says in the Second Epistle to Timothy, In a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth: and some to honour and some to dishonour. If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. And it is evident that the purification must be voluntary: for if a man, he saith, purge himself. And the consequent antistrophe responds, "If a man purge not himself he will be a vessel to dishonour, unmeet for the master's use and fit only to be broken in pieces." Wherefore this passage that we have quoted and this, God hath concluded them all in unbelief, and this, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, all these must be understood not as though God Himself were energising, but as though God were permitting, both because of free-will and because goodness knows no compulsion.

His permission, therefore, is usually spoken of in the Holy Scripture as His energy and work. Nay, even when He says that God creates evil things, and that there is no evil in a city that the Lord hath not done, he does not mean by these words that the Lord is the cause of evil, but the word 'evil' is used in two ways, with two meanings. For sometimes it means what is evil by nature, and this is the opposite of virtue and the will of God: and sometimes it means that which is evil and oppressive to our sensation, that is to say, afflictions and calamities. Now these are seemingly evil because they are painful, but in reality are good. For to those who understand they became ambassadors of conversion and salvation. The Scripture says that of these God is the Author.

It is, moreover, to be observed that of these, too, we are the cause: for involuntary evils are the offspring of voluntary ones.
How blind are you people : the mainstream churches all teach that God did not create all things because they cannot understand how God can use things such as evil for good , See Rom 8(28) , so they lean unto their own understanding where they are clearly told not to do this , Prov 3(5&7) , And blaspheme and attack God saying he did not create all things : how blind you people are : will post again a bible study which explains this clearly only for those with eyes to see : Mt 13(11) !
 
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How blind are you people : the mainstream churches all teach that God did not create all things because they cannot understand how God can use things such as evil for good , See Rom 8(28) , so they lean unto their own understanding where they are clearly told not to do this , Prov 3(5&7) , And blaspheme and attack God saying he did not create all things : how blind you people are : will post again a bible study which explains this clearly only for those with eyes to see : Mt 13(11) !
 
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( 6 ) : ” THE GREATEST BLASPHEMY : PART 1 . “
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Christ said in MATTHEW 15(9) : ” In vain do they worship me , teaching for doctrines the commandments of men . ” Sadly the mainstream churches today are full of these false doctrines of men that Christ talked about here . The most blasphemous false doctrine of men is the teaching that God did not create all things, and that God is not even in control of his own creation ! How do they arrive at this blasphemous false doctrine ? The bible says to trust in God, and not lean unto our own understanding : PROVERBS 3(5) : ” Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not unto your own understanding , ” Why does the bible tell us not to lean unto our own understanding ? : 1 CORINTHIANS 13(12) : ” For now we see through a glass darkly , for NOW WE KNOW IN PART . ” This is why the bible tells us not to lean unto our own understanding : Because we presently have very limited understanding, and we will think that we see something wrong, WHEN THERE IS IN FACT NOTHING WRONG, WE JUST THINK THAT WE SEE SOMETHING WRONG , BECAUSE OF OUR LIMITED UNDERSTANDING . A perfect example of this is the teaching that evil could not possibly have a good purpose in God’s creation : So we say that God has nothing to do with it . Well for starters the Bible clearly states that GOD CREATED EVIL : ISAIAH 45(7) : ” I make peace AND CREATE EVIL , I THE LORD DO ALL THESE THINGS. ” Well the question of course arises : Why did God create evil ? If we read GENESIS 3(22) : We see that GOD HIMSELF SAYS : ” The man is become as one of us , to know good AND EVIL ! ” So ACCORDING TO GOD HIMSELF , EVIL DOES INDEED HAVE A GOOD PURPOSE : IT IS PART OF BECOMING AS A GOD ! But if we lean unto our own understanding , we don’t understand this, and we think that evil is only bad : So we then say that God did not create it , thus now SAYING THAT GOD DID NOT CREATE ALL THINGS : ” A SUPER SERIOUS BLASPHEMY .” We say that God does not want evil in his creation : Yet evil is still there : THUS IMPLYING THAT GOD IS NOT EVEN IN CONTROL OF HIS OWN CREATION : Because according to them all these things are there that God supposedly does not want : YET ANOTHER SUPER SERIOUS BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD ! The truth of course is that GOD CREATED ALL THINGS , INCLUDING EVIL : AND THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER FOR GOOD in his great plan , and God is in absolute control, even if we don’t understand it yet ! Listen to what God says to us in ISAIAH 55(8&9) : ” 8 : ” For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways , ” 9 : ” For as the heavens are higher then the Earth , so are my ways higher then your ways , and my thoughts then your thoughts . ” Following are a few more examples of things that God uses to fulfill his purposes that if we lean unto our own limited understanding, we might think are bad , thus saying that what God does is bad ; 1 SAMUEL 16(14) : ” But the spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and AN EVIL SPIRIT FROM THE LORD troubled him .” and 1 KINGS 22(23) : ” Now therefore behold : THE LORD HATH PUT A LYING SPIRIT in the mouth of all these thy prophets .” So remember PROVERBS 3(5) : ” Trust in the Lord with all thine heart , and lean not unto thine own understanding .” STOP BLASPHEMING EVERY TIME YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU DONT UNDERSTAND , AND SAYING THAT GOD DID NOT DO IT OR CREATE IT : YOU ARE ON VERY DANGEROUS GROUND ! PROVERBS 3(7) : ” BE NOT WISE IN THINE OWN EYES , FEAR THE LORD, DEPART FROM EVIL . ” : IT IS A GREAT EVIL TO BE WISE IN THINE OWN EYES AND JUDGE GOD !
 
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( 6 ) : ” THE GREATEST BLASPHEMY : PART 1 . “
August 14, 2017gigoboy777 Leave a comment


Christ said in MATTHEW 15(9) : ” In vain do they worship me , teaching for doctrines the commandments of men . ” Sadly the mainstream churches today are full of these false doctrines of men that Christ talked about here . The most blasphemous false doctrine of men is the teaching that God did not create all things, and that God is not even in control of his own creation ! How do they arrive at this blasphemous false doctrine ? The bible says to trust in God, and not lean unto our own understanding : PROVERBS 3(5) : ” Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not unto your own understanding , ” Why does the bible tell us not to lean unto our own understanding ? : 1 CORINTHIANS 13(12) : ” For now we see through a glass darkly , for NOW WE KNOW IN PART . ” This is why the bible tells us not to lean unto our own understanding : Because we presently have very limited understanding, and we will think that we see something wrong, WHEN THERE IS IN FACT NOTHING WRONG, WE JUST THINK THAT WE SEE SOMETHING WRONG , BECAUSE OF OUR LIMITED UNDERSTANDING . A perfect example of this is the teaching that evil could not possibly have a good purpose in God’s creation : So we say that God has nothing to do with it . Well for starters the Bible clearly states that GOD CREATED EVIL : ISAIAH 45(7) : ” I make peace AND CREATE EVIL , I THE LORD DO ALL THESE THINGS. ” Well the question of course arises : Why did God create evil ? If we read GENESIS 3(22) : We see that GOD HIMSELF SAYS : ” The man is become as one of us , to know good AND EVIL ! ” So ACCORDING TO GOD HIMSELF , EVIL DOES INDEED HAVE A GOOD PURPOSE : IT IS PART OF BECOMING AS A GOD ! But if we lean unto our own understanding , we don’t understand this, and we think that evil is only bad : So we then say that God did not create it , thus now SAYING THAT GOD DID NOT CREATE ALL THINGS : ” A SUPER SERIOUS BLASPHEMY .” We say that God does not want evil in his creation : Yet evil is still there : THUS IMPLYING THAT GOD IS NOT EVEN IN CONTROL OF HIS OWN CREATION : Because according to them all these things are there that God supposedly does not want : YET ANOTHER SUPER SERIOUS BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD ! The truth of course is that GOD CREATED ALL THINGS , INCLUDING EVIL : AND THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER FOR GOOD in his great plan , and God is in absolute control, even if we don’t understand it yet ! Listen to what God says to us in ISAIAH 55(8&9) : ” 8 : ” For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways , ” 9 : ” For as the heavens are higher then the Earth , so are my ways higher then your ways , and my thoughts then your thoughts . ” Following are a few more examples of things that God uses to fulfill his purposes that if we lean unto our own limited understanding, we might think are bad , thus saying that what God does is bad ; 1 SAMUEL 16(14) : ” But the spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and AN EVIL SPIRIT FROM THE LORD troubled him .” and 1 KINGS 22(23) : ” Now therefore behold : THE LORD HATH PUT A LYING SPIRIT in the mouth of all these thy prophets .” So remember PROVERBS 3(5) : ” Trust in the Lord with all thine heart , and lean not unto thine own understanding .” STOP BLASPHEMING EVERY TIME YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU DONT UNDERSTAND , AND SAYING THAT GOD DID NOT DO IT OR CREATE IT : YOU ARE ON VERY DANGEROUS GROUND ! PROVERBS 3(7) : ” BE NOT WISE IN THINE OWN EYES , FEAR THE LORD, DEPART FROM EVIL . ” : IT IS A GREAT EVIL TO BE WISE IN THINE OWN EYES AND JUDGE GOD !
A man rapes and murders a little child.

Was God behind that? Did he come up with that idea? Did he cause that man to do that?
 
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A man rapes and murders a little child.

Was God behind that? Did he come up with that idea? Did he cause that man to do that?
Yes that’s what he seems to be saying he teaches in this doctrine one of the most horrifying doctrines no one really teaches what he does here.

But this verse clearly corrects him

And verses like this there are many verses in scripture to shatter this false doctrine he teaches .....many

““ Jeremiah 19 - 5. They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:”

And let no man say when he is tempted he is tempted of God
 
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( 6 ) : ” THE GREATEST BLASPHEMY : PART 1 . “
August 14, 2017gigoboy777 Leave a comment


Christ said in MATTHEW 15(9) : ” In vain do they worship me , teaching for doctrines the commandments of men . ” Sadly the mainstream churches today are full of these false doctrines of men that Christ talked about here . The most blasphemous false doctrine of men is the teaching that God did not create all things, and that God is not even in control of his own creation ! How do they arrive at this blasphemous false doctrine ? The bible says to trust in God, and not lean unto our own understanding : PROVERBS 3(5) : ” Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not unto your own understanding , ” Why does the bible tell us not to lean unto our own understanding ? : 1 CORINTHIANS 13(12) : ” For now we see through a glass darkly , for NOW WE KNOW IN PART . ” This is why the bible tells us not to lean unto our own understanding : Because we presently have very limited understanding, and we will think that we see something wrong, WHEN THERE IS IN FACT NOTHING WRONG, WE JUST THINK THAT WE SEE SOMETHING WRONG , BECAUSE OF OUR LIMITED UNDERSTANDING . A perfect example of this is the teaching that evil could not possibly have a good purpose in God’s creation : So we say that God has nothing to do with it . Well for starters the Bible clearly states that GOD CREATED EVIL : ISAIAH 45(7) : ” I make peace AND CREATE EVIL , I THE LORD DO ALL THESE THINGS. ” Well the question of course arises : Why did God create evil ? If we read GENESIS 3(22) : We see that GOD HIMSELF SAYS : ” The man is become as one of us , to know good AND EVIL ! ” So ACCORDING TO GOD HIMSELF , EVIL DOES INDEED HAVE A GOOD PURPOSE : IT IS PART OF BECOMING AS A GOD ! But if we lean unto our own understanding , we don’t understand this, and we think that evil is only bad : So we then say that God did not create it , thus now SAYING THAT GOD DID NOT CREATE ALL THINGS : ” A SUPER SERIOUS BLASPHEMY .” We say that God does not want evil in his creation : Yet evil is still there : THUS IMPLYING THAT GOD IS NOT EVEN IN CONTROL OF HIS OWN CREATION : Because according to them all these things are there that God supposedly does not want : YET ANOTHER SUPER SERIOUS BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD ! The truth of course is that GOD CREATED ALL THINGS , INCLUDING EVIL : AND THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER FOR GOOD in his great plan , and God is in absolute control, even if we don’t understand it yet ! Listen to what God says to us in ISAIAH 55(8&9) : ” 8 : ” For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways , ” 9 : ” For as the heavens are higher then the Earth , so are my ways higher then your ways , and my thoughts then your thoughts . ” Following are a few more examples of things that God uses to fulfill his purposes that if we lean unto our own limited understanding, we might think are bad , thus saying that what God does is bad ; 1 SAMUEL 16(14) : ” But the spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and AN EVIL SPIRIT FROM THE LORD troubled him .” and 1 KINGS 22(23) : ” Now therefore behold : THE LORD HATH PUT A LYING SPIRIT in the mouth of all these thy prophets .” So remember PROVERBS 3(5) : ” Trust in the Lord with all thine heart , and lean not unto thine own understanding .” STOP BLASPHEMING EVERY TIME YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU DONT UNDERSTAND , AND SAYING THAT GOD DID NOT DO IT OR CREATE IT : YOU ARE ON VERY DANGEROUS GROUND ! PROVERBS 3(7) : ” BE NOT WISE IN THINE OWN EYES , FEAR THE LORD, DEPART FROM EVIL . ” : IT IS A GREAT EVIL TO BE WISE IN THINE OWN EYES AND JUDGE GOD !
Clearly rebuked by one verse alone (though there are so many verses that could be brought)

““ Jeremiah 19 - 5. They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:”

Christians understand how God can use situations and people even if they are evil to cause things to happen but that is far different than saying God makes them sin?

Is Christ the minister of sin? God forbid?
 
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Because people keep blaspheming God By saying he did not create all things such as evil and scripture clearly says that he did : Isaiah 45(7), Prov 16(4) : I must expose that lie about God !
“ Matthew 23 - 37. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!”
 
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for starters the Bible clearly states that GOD CREATED EVIL : ISAIAH 45(7) : ” I make peace AND CREATE EVIL , I THE LORD DO ALL THESE THINGS. ” Well the question of course arises : Why did God create evil ?
The word evil in Isaiah in Hebrew is

“Ra, meaning - -- adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease(-ure), distress, evil((- favouredness), man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief(-vous), harm, heavy, hurt(-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief(-vous), misery, naught(-ty), noisome, + not please, sad(-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked(-ly, -ness, one), worse(-st), wretchedness, wrong. (Incl. feminine


Study to shew thyself approves unto God a workman that needeth not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth


And the greatest blasphemy as Jesus said was the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost

We must all be very careful not to attribute the works of God to the wirks if the devil or visa versa

God is good and cannot sin or do iniquity or lie or change or deny himself.

The absence of light we call dark the absence of heat we call cold the absence of truth we call a lie the absence of righteousness we call unrighteousness.

The absence of something is not a thing in itself . We read of Satan being the father of lies and there is no truth in him
 
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If you disagree, please provide an argument (or proof or evidence) why with Scripture & or logic, reason, etc.

It's possible that someone who could see into the future might have a kind of 'double vision' in the case of freewill. They would see both outcomes, the outcome where you choose to go right at a crossroads, and the outcome where you choose to go left when looking into the future. In this case, the future is blurry made over overlapping possibilities, but once the choice is made, the other possibilities collapse and are gone. The choices of free will agents would in a sense, become the lenses through which God sees the future as it becomes the past.

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There's some evidence that the universe is built this way at the quantum level. Faced with a choice, the universe does both things as a wave... until someone checks and observes the outcome holding it accountable. Then the quantum wave form collapses and it settles down and shows evidence of only having ever done one; the other possibility disappearing.

Nevertheless, a God who has the hairs on my head numbered and designs things like stars and DNA, probably knows whether I will turn right or left at any given crossroads. I don't think I will be surprising Him anytime soon.
 
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"No one—even God—can know in advance what a (libertarian) free-will agent will choose. For if He did know in advance what you will choose, then you are not free to choose."

If you disagree, please provide an argument (or proof or evidence) why with Scripture & or logic, reason, etc.

Further comments by the person quoted above follow:

"For example, suppose God knows you are going to eat an ice-cream cone at 2 P.M. tomorrow. That implies that you CANNOT refrain from eating an ice-cream cone at 2 P.M. tomorrow. For if through your free will, you could refrain and did refrain, then God didn't know that you would eat an ice-cream cone at 2 P.M. tomorrow."

"I should also make clear that God not knowing in advance what we will choose in no way implies that he is not omniscient. For God DOES know all that is possible to know. No one can know the future (in the absolute sense of "know") because the future does not yet exist, and so there is nothing to know."
God transcends time.
He knows and it doesn't affect your will.
 
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God transcends time.
He knows and it doesn't affect your will.
The open theist is rt. How is your will truly free if God transcends time and all things are settled, as He knows the beginning from the end? See the logical end to all free willers is open theism. God knows all things because God has decreed and ordained all things
 
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