No new Mosques?

[TG123]

Is that question directed towards me?

You and Sunrise both specialize in posting misinformation, so he could be and perhaps should be addressing both you and himself.

 

[wn123455]

You and Sunrise both specialize in posting misinformation, so he could be and perhaps should be addressing both you and himself.

How have I been posting misinformation?

 

[smaneck]

How have I been posting misinformation?

Those who deny the attempted genocide of the Rohingya of Burma and the Bosnian Muslims belong in the same category as Holocaust deniers.

 

[wn123455]

Those who deny the attempted genocide of the Rohingya of Burma and the Bosnian Muslims belong in the same category as Holocaust deniers.

Don't you mean bengali muslims and turkish muslims? What about those who think zionists were behind 9/11? What about those who think the Catholic Church was found 300 years before Jesus was born? What about those who attempt to blame the Armenian genocide on the non-muslim Armenians?(you know what I am talking about TG123)

 

[TG123]

Don't you mean bengali muslims and turkish muslims? What about those who think zionists were behind 9/11? What about those who think the Catholic Church was found 300 years before Jesus was born? What about those who attempt to blame the Armenian genocide on the non-muslim Armenians?(you know what I am talking about TG123)

Don't get me wrong. You are not the only one who is denying and downplaying human rights abuses committed by extremists and armed groups and abusive governments. Sunrise is doing the same thing you are.

You downplay Israeli abuses of Palestinians, deny the massacre of Muslims in Srebrenica, and blame the Burmese Muslims for abuses perpetrated against them.

He downplays the genocide of the Armenians and chooses to know nothing about the situation in West Papua, as well as posting nonsense about Catholic history. I haven't seen his posts on 9/11 but I wouldn't put it past him.

Sunrise and you are of the same feather.

You are both willing to denounce abuses against innocent people only and tell the truth only when it is in your interest to do so. You are willing to deny and downplay and ignore injustice against other innocent people when you believe it is expedient to do so.

You both believe in justice for the innocent only when doing so fits into your political views.

I love you both and I pray for you both, but the hypocrisy of your words is in my opinion a shame and most people on this forum can see it.

I have a bit more beef about this with you than I do with him, because he at least is not claiming to be a Christian.

If my words stung you or Sunrise too badly, that doesn't bring me much pleasure. To be completely honest, however, at the same time, I would not take back anything I have said.

 

[wn123455]

You cannot force down your opinions on what is true down other people's throats. That doesn't mean you can't discuss various issues though. Back on topic I think no new mosques will be a good idea as there will be less hateful speeches by islamists.

 

[smaneck]

Don't you mean bengali muslims and turkish muslims?

Those are precisely the kind of misinformation that TG123 was talking about. Neither Palestinians or Bosnians are Turks. Palestinians are semites and Bosnian DNA is indistinguishable from that of the Serbs or Croats. As for the Rohingya being Bengali Muslims, they immigrated to Burma 500 years ago. No one calls me Irish or Scotch or Dutch because my ancestors came to America centuries ago.

What about those who think zionists were behind 9/11?

They are in good company with you.

What about those who think the Catholic Church was found 300 years before Jesus was born?

Them too.

What about those who attempt to blame the Armenian genocide on the non-muslim Armenians?(you know what I am talking about TG123)

The issue of Armenian genocide is much more complicated but probably quite similar to what happened to the Bosnians, on a much larger scale of course.

 

[smaneck]

You cannot force down your opinions on what is true down other people's throats.

There are opinions, and then there are historical facts. The Holocaust is not a matter of opinion and neither is what happened to the Bosnians and the Rohingya.

Back on topic I think no new mosques will be a good idea as there will be less hateful speeches by islamists.

On the contrary, it will only incite them. The Qur'anic justification for jihad is persecution and oppression. If you persecute and oppress them this way you justify the jihadists.

 

[wn123455]

Even if I am a hypocrite islamists who cry about crimes being commited against them but refuse to say anything about islamists committing crimes against non-muslims get away with it more often. Take for example the islamist rapper lowkey. lowkey raps about how bad Israel is to palestinians(turks) but he has never rapped or say anything about the occupation of West Papua by the islamist entity indonesia. And lowkey is a popular rapper.

 

[smaneck]

Even if I am a hypocrite islamists who cry about crimes being commited against them but refuse to say anything about islamists committing crimes against non-muslims get away with it more often.

They do it, why can't I?


T

ake for example the islamist rapper lowkey. lowkey raps about how bad Israel is to palestinians(turks)

See, you just did it again. A simple internet search on the DNA of Palestinians would prove they are not Turks but you choose to continue to repeat this lie. Furthermore Lowkey is not a Muslim, let alone an Islamist.

but he has never rapped or say anything about the occupation of West Papua by the islamist entity indonesia. And lowkey is a popular rapper.

Most people have never heard of West Papua. Do you really expect a rapper is going to know about it?

And by the way, Indonesia is a country, not an "islamist entity."

 

[TG123]

You cannot force down your opinions on what is true down other people's throats. That doesn't mean you can't discuss various issues though.

Of course. You can deny the facts, and only acknowledge those that suit your agenda. You and Sunrise are experts at doing this.

I cannot force either you or him to stop posting in a hypocritical and nonsensical manner, and neither would I want to. I believe in freedom of speech.

Rest assured however that I (and others) will respond when either you or him, or other posters, do so,

Back on topic I think no new mosques will be a good idea as there will be less hateful speeches by islamists.

I disagree. Most mosques do not call for hatred, as do neither most synagogues or churches.

Banning mosques because of hate speeches against non-Muslims in some, makes as much sense as banning churches because in 2003, quite a few of them in the US backed the terrorist invasion of Iraq, or banning Jewish campuses since in some of them the Israeli Army is permitted to come in and encourage students to enlist.

Most Jews, Christians and Muslims are law abiding and peaceful people and most of their clergy encourage them to show kindness and compassion, not violence, towards other people.

This does not mean that I believe Islam and Judaism are true religions. Both deny the divinity of Jesus Christ and His sacrifice on the cross. This is no reason however to make building their places of worship illegal.

 

[wn123455]

They do it, why can't I?


T

See, you just did it again. A simple internet search on the DNA of Palestinians would prove they are not Turks but you choose to continue to repeat this lie. Furthermore Lowkey is not a Muslim, let alone an Islamist.



Most people have never heard of West Papua. Do you really expect a rapper is going to know about it?

And by the way, Indonesia is a country, not an "islamist entity."

DAM (band) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia What about his group of muslim rappers? They rap about how bad Israel is all the time but never once said anything about the occupation of West Papua by the terrorist country indonesia. So what if they have never heard of West Papua. If they haven't heard of West Papua then they are just a bunch of ignorant people.

 

[TG123]

DAM (band) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia What about his group of muslim rappers? They rap about how bad Israel is all the time but never once said anything about the occupation of West Papua by the terrorist country indonesia. So what if they have never heard of West Papua. If they haven't heard of West Papua then they are just a bunch of ignorant people.

I don't disagree. They should rap about West Papua.

I haven't read any post by you discussing Israeli or American or Burmese Buddhist or Russian or Chinese war crimes against Muslim people. Are you ignorant of all of that? How are you better than DAM?

 

[sunrise0]

Christians are nearly all guest workers in Saudi Arabia, not citizens.

not nearly but all

suppose some Muslims worked in a country which prohibits building mosques, should they force that country to do so?

 

[sunrise0]

You and Sunrise both specialize in posting misinformation, so he could be and perhaps should be addressing both you and himself.

I resent this and want examples

 

[sunrise0]

Of course. You can deny the facts, and only acknowledge those that suit your agenda. You and Sunrise are experts at doing this.
I cannot force either you or him to stop posting in a hypocritical and nonsensical manner, and neither would I want to. I believe in freedom of speech.

I strongly resent this kind of baseless acusations.prove your claim

Rest assured however that I (and others) will respond when either you or him, or other posters, do so,


I disagree. Most mosques do not call for hatred, as do neither most synagogues or churches.

you did not respond to countless cases of terror done by churches and priests which I posted in my thread :
http://www.christianforums.com/t7773431/

This does not mean that I believe Islam and Judaism are true religions. Both deny the divinity of Jesus Christ and His sacrifice on the cross. This is no reason however to make building their places of worship illegal.

you deny Judaism and use their Book?!

as for the second part , there are milions of Christians who left Christianity for lack of proofs

 

[smaneck]

not nearly but all

suppose some Muslims worked in a country which prohibits building mosques, should they force that country to do so?

For any country to prohibit the building of mosques is contrary to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, so I would think they would have the right to raise the issue with the World Court. Of course, some countries, including the US have never signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and refuse to allow cases against them to be adjudicated by the World Court.

 

[smaneck]

DAM (band) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia What about his group of muslim rappers? They rap about how bad Israel is all the time but never once said anything about the occupation of West Papua by the terrorist country indonesia.

Are you sure all three of these men are Muslims? Of course, they focus on what is happening to the Palestinians. They are Palestinians. Would you expect a Jew in a German Concentration Camp to be writing stuff about the mistreatment of blacks in America?

 

[smaneck]

I haven't read any post by you discussing Israeli or American or Burmese Buddhist or Russian or Chinese war crimes against Muslim people. Are you ignorant of all of that? How are you better than DAM?

Haven't you seen? He denies these things!

 

[Lukaris]

I think there is an attempt by some to try to spin human tragedy to portray one group as a perpetual victim while other groups are not considered. Bosnia is another example but the 1990s breakup of Yugoslavia is a complicated matter with atrocities on all sides. There is also some history that needs to be studied re this: The Handzar Division lives on in Bosnia.... .

Then in the 1990s: http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/076.shtml