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Hi TG123,
Honestly, I don't intend to have any "thank you" for what I've said.
I do believe those others Christians brothers and sisters agree that what happen to Muslims in Burma is wrong, but they have their own ways to acknowledge it to other members here.
If I can find it in English, I will post for you.
I suggest you to read the history of this conflict.
the Rohingya and the Rakhine have long bitter history.
The Rohingya was trying to have their own autonomy, despite most of them are originated from Bengali. Though they have lived there for centuries, but they are stateless.
the 2012 riot happened, some sources says it because of the killing of some Rohingya by the Rakhine, after the Rakhine woman/en raped and murder.
I had posted a video. the 1942 massacre the woman mentioned was estimated 5000 Muslims killed by Rakhine, and 20.000 Arakanese killed by Muslims.
Please don't judge. try to put ourselves on their shoes.
If I were the Muslims Rohingya, of course I would like to have my nationality, so I secured.. (but, remember the time when the Muslims were armed by the British, they fight against the Arakanese whose Burmese origin).
If I were the Burmese, of course I wouldn't permitted the migrant who lives in my land, violated my brothers and sisters.(e.g. rape or murder)
there will no smoke without fire, brother.
This happened not because of Muslims oppressed Buddhist elsewhere, but its their inner cause.
for that I bolded, I do not agree with you.
either you pretend to be(sorry) blind, or you refused to accept it as the fact.
its just my "words", brother.btw, I don't think the Dutch whom I met recently had took part to colonized Indonesia over 6 decades ago. But they ask an apologize for what happened.
what do you think? the colonization had been over.
sorry out of context
that's why in my post before, I have a question whether the Christians in the mid-east have the same acts that could makes those muslims lose their patient?
correct.
here is the point.
Iraqi Christians forced to pay for George Bush by the Muslims. But, Burmese(actually they are not Burmese) Muslims are not forced to pay for what happened to the Buddhist around the world, brother.
Instead, Buddhist around the world have to pay for what happened to those Muslims in Burma.
could you get what I mean?
I am agree with you
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I am sorry about what happen in your country.
But the news you brought didn't tell that those act happened because of the minority in mid-east.
many temples and Buddha statue were destroyed because of the Rohingya and the Buddhist in Myanmar clashes.
25,000 Muslim rioters torch Buddhist temples, homes in Bangladesh (PHOTOS) — RT News
that I wanted from you is, like this, smaneck:
could you see the difference?http://rt.com/news/buddhist-temples-torched-bangladesh-342/ said:
Did the Christians burn/kill Muslims elsewhere because of Christian in mid-east?
that's why you need to know their history, don't only judge, and blame the Burmese.
have you read my other thread?
and why do you think there are some citizen of some countries do such thing?(that I posted in another thread, as well as what other member posted)
whats wrong with this minority? Do Baha'i get the same treatment in many countries?
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smaneck
Baha'i
And this is an important difference why?
And the fact that Muslims burned down some Buddhist temples in Bangladesh in retaliation for the genocide against Muslims in Burma justifies the Burmese genocide how?
Baha'is fare far worse in most Muslim countries that Christians or any other minority (with the exception of the Ahmadis of Pakistan) ever do. Even Woodrow will attest to this.
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RosaryChaplet9
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They get their information from peer journalists and field reporters.
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Both human rights watch and amnesty international have an anti-Israel bias. Even if some of the content from amnesty international and human rights watch is true I would find a more neutral source. It's just like if I found something true on a white supremacist forum I would not link the white supremacist forum but I would find some other more neutral source so that I will not anger people.
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smaneck
Baha'i
By that you mean they both report on Israel's human right's abuses.
LOL. What are you talking about? Just yesterday you started a post with a link to Islam Watch! That's *exactly* the equivalent to posting a link to a white supremacist forum whereas Amnesty International is respected nearly everywhere.
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TG123
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AI and HRW have a "bias" against all governments that abuse human rights. They have been condemned by Hamas, as well as by Israel, for reporting on their crimes.
You'd think that if AI was "anti-Israel", Hamas would not be angry at them.
Hamas: Amnesty report accusing us of war crimes is 'unfair' Israel News | Haaretz
BTW, do you think Amnesty International has an "anti-Palestinian" bias? Do you agree with Hamas that it is "unfair" towards them?
Or do you only accuse them of bias and unfairness when the human rights violators they criticize are Israelis and others who harm Muslims?
Hamas: Amnesty report accusing us of war crimes is 'unfair'
Israel also hits back at Amnesty International report accusing Israel, Hamas of war crimes in Gaza.
By Haaretz Service and The Associated Press | Jul. 2, 2009 | 6:09 AM
Hamas on Thursday criticized a report issued by global human rights group Amnesty International, which accuses both Israel and Hamas of committing war crimes in Gaza. Hamas said in response that the report was "imbalanced and unfair"
In its first in-depth human rights report on the recent Israeli offensive in Gaza, Amnesty International accused both Israel and Hamas of committing war crimes during the fighting earlier this year. The group charged that the Israel Defense Forces killed hundreds of Palestinian civilians and destroyed thousands of Gaza Strip homes in attacks that amounted to war crimes, and denounced Hamas for firing rockets into civilian areas of southern Israel.
In response, Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said that "instead of wasting time with reports, Israeli murderers should be put on trial," Army Radio reported.
The Hamas spokesman added that his organization rejects the findings of the 117-page report, saying that it was unfair to place the victim in the position of aggressor. "They didn't check their facts with any Hamas leader," he accused the human rights group.
Later Thursday, Defense Minister Ehud Barak's office also rejected the report, issuing a statement saying that "the information presented as fact in the report is not true, and has no correlation to reality."
Barak's statment added that the report "completely ignored the fact that Hamas has been employing terror tactics and criminal methods against the residents of Israel for eight years, while carrying out unrelenting terror and fire."
"Hamas acted in a cowardly fashion while taking advantage of the civilian Palestinian population, which it turned into a human shield. The IDF, from the Chief of Staff to the last of the combat soldiers, is one of the most moral armies in the world, which abides by the highest ethical codes, and this was proven in investigations carried out after the operation," the statement continued.
The IDF also issued a response, saying that it was both "questionable and objectionable that a well respected and ostensibly objective international organization such as Amnesty could produce a report on Operation Cast Lead without properly recognizing the unbearable reality of nine years of incessant and indiscriminate rocket fire on the citizens of Israel."
"The slant of their report indicates that the organization succumbed to manipulations of the Hamas terror organization," the IDF statement went on to say.
Both Hamas and Israel are guilty of war crimes
Donatella Rovera, who headed Amnesty's field research mission, concluded that "five months on, neither side has shown any inclination to change its practices and abide by international humanitarian law, raising the prospect that civilians will again bear the brunt if fighting resumes."
Amnesty called on Israel to publicly pledge not to use artillery, white phosphorus and other imprecise weapons in densely populated areas. And it urged Gaza's militant Hamas rulers to stop rocket fire against Israeli civilians.
Amnesty - which first accused Israel of war crimes shortly after the fighting ended on Jan. 18 - said disturbing questions remain about why high-precision weapons like tank shells and air-delivered bombs and missiles killed so many children and other civilians.
The group also deplored Israel's alleged use of less-precise artillery shells and highly incendiary white phosphorous in densely populated areas. It also accused the IDF of using Palestinians as human shields and frequently blocking civilians from receiving medical care and humanitarian aid.
"The pattern of Israeli attacks and the high number of civilian casualties showed elements of reckless conduct, disregard for civilian lives and property and a consistent failure to distinguish between military targets and civilians and civilian objects," Amnesty International charged.
Gaza health officials and human rights groups say that some 1,400 Palestinians, including more than 900 civilians, were killed during the three-week offensive. Israel puts the death toll closer to 1,100 and says the vast majority of the dead were militants.
Amnesty says some 300 children and hundreds of other unarmed civilians were among the dead. Thirteen Israelis also were killed, including three civilians who died in rocket attacks.
The Geneva Conventions ban using white phosphorous as an incendiary weapon against civilian populations and in air attacks against military forces in civilian areas.
During the Gaza conflict Israel categorically denied that its use of phosphorous weapons was illegal. The IDF says its internal investigations concluded it did not violate international law during the Gaza conflict.
The report was based on physical evidence and testimony that a team of four researchers, including a military expert, gathered from dozens of attack sites in Gaza and southern Israel during and after the war.
The detailed report broke little new ground, concentrating on issues, cases and problems that have been dealt with in other frameworks.
Among the Gaza cases cited in the report were the well-documented shelling of a house where a family took refuge on soldiers' orders before 21 people were killed; an Israeli artillery attack near a UN school that killed dozens; and the shelling of a house that killed three daughters of a Gaza doctor who has worked in Israel for years and is a champion of coexistence.
"Israel did not respond to Amnesty International's repeated requests for information on specific cases detailed in the report and for meetings to discuss the organization's findings," said Rovera.
She said investigators were able to operate freely in Gaza, without any
intervention by Hamas security forces.
"This was a fierce, one-sided war in which all means of killing and destruction were employed," said Ismail Haniyeh, prime minister of Hamas' Gaza government. "We believe that the leaders of the occupation state must be tried for these crimes."
The UN is examining the conduct of both sides in the conflict. Hamas allowed veteran war crimes investigator Richard Goldstone and his team into Gaza last month, but Hamas security often accompanied them, raising questions about the ability of witnesses to freely describe the militant group's actions.
Israel has refused to cooperate with the probe, claiming the UN council overseeing the investigation is biased.
Israel conducted its own internal investigation earlier this year and cleared the military of wrongdoing. Human rights groups criticized the probe as a whitewash.
Hamas: Amnesty report accusing us of war crimes is 'unfair' Israel News | Haaretz
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smaneck
Baha'i
Ah, now our temples are pretty nice, mostly because we only have one in each continent.
Baha’i Temples around the world – Bahai Faith | Baha'i Faith | United States Official Website
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because the Christians in the mid-east were not their reason.
have you compare with the one that I brought to you?
are the Buddhist in Bangladesh genocide the Muslims in Burma?
could you show me
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smaneck
Baha'i
Persecution of Bahá'Ãs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Video regarding the youngest of Baha'i women executed in Shiraz soon after the Revolution. You may see some familiar faces:
DOUG CAMERON - MONA WITH THE CHILDREN - BAHÃ'Ã - YouTube
The Muslim Network for Baha'i Rights | Defending the human rights of the Baha'i minority
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