No new Mosques?

[Serendipity..]

Except the Qur'an does not recommend beheading unbelievers.

the problem is radicals interpret it that way

 

[kenzo0]

Moscow (not the Russian nation) is being discriminatory & not banning anything; this is wrong but pales in comparison to what Christians & other non adherents to the alleged religion of peace undergo in sharia nations. There are also false reports of the religion of peace being banned like in Angola: Angola Denies It Banned Islam, Destroyed Mosques

What any of this has to do with Christianity being violent is beyond me. Although I suppose that some crusade from 600 years ago or more is ranked alongside some jihadist terror bombing from 6 hours ago as equal proof of being violent.

thank you for brought your source.
but, I ensure you that I didn't gave false report.

and this, I give you the newest regarding Angola's Govt statement:
source:Angola govt denies Islam ban despite mosque closures, attacks | News | Africa | Mail & Guardian

Angola govt denies Islam ban despite mosque closures, attacks

All of Angola's 60 mosques are closed at present, eight mosques have been been dismantled in the past two years and Muslim women are not allowed to wear a veil in public, David Ja, the president of the Muslim Council of Angola, said in an interview from Luanda this week.
Disputed reports that Angola's President José Eduardo dos Santos has proclaimed "the end of Islamic influence in Angola" sparked a media feeding frenzy at the weekend.
Ja emphasised that the action against Islamic institutions had been taken under Angolan law, rather than as a result of random religious persecution. Anyone who practised the Islamic faith ran the risk of being found guilty of "qualified disobedience" of Angola's penal code.

The mosques were closed because they did not have the required number of followers – 100 000 – prescribed by the ministry of justice and human rights as necessary for legal recognition as a religion. There are an estimated 90 000 Muslims in Angola.
The destruction of mosques took place in terms of regulations requiring them to secure a licence from municipal authorities.
'Separation between state and religion'
"It is true that we do not have the numbers to meet the legal requirements," Ja sadi. "But the Angolan constitution establishes a separation between the state and religion. That contradicts the government's decision to legislate on matters of faith.
"We intend to challenge the government in the Constitutional Court."
Ja said reports about President Dos Santos's announcement were untrue. Dos Santos, who rarely speaks to the media, has been in Barcelona, Spain, for the past three weeks.
However, another member of the Muslim Council of Angola, Muhammad da Costa, complained that the government is using the daily newspaper, Jornal de Angola, certain leaders of the Catholic Church and the army's chief of staff, Geraldo Nunda, to publicly attack Islam.
The Catholic priests in question had appeared on television to denounce Islam as a threat to Angolan society, he said.
Da Costa also said that his 16-year-old daughter was recently beaten up in the streets of Luanda, and told to leave the country, because she was wearing the veil.
Alleged statements by senior members of the Angolan government sparked a media furore at the weekend. A Nigerian based-paper, Osun Defender, claimed to have based its report of Dos Santos's announcement on an interview with him.
'Closed until further notice'
Also fuelling the uproar was Moroccan publication La Nouvelle Tribune, which quoted Angola's Minister of Culture Rosa Cruz e Silva as saying "the process of legalisation of Islam has not been approved by the ministry of justice and human rights" and that mosques would be closed until further notice.
India Today reported that Silva made the statement at the sixth commission of the Angolan national assembly. It quoted the minister as saying that the ban was necessary because Islam is "contradictory to the customs of Angolan culture".
Some of the reports were clearly exaggerated. One blog claimed that Muslim extremists were becoming a serious problem in Angola and that a Christian was beheaded in attacks by Muslims in the central Angolan town of Andulu.
Ja said there had never been a clash between Muslims and Christians in the country.
It was also revealed that a photograph published by numerous news outlets, which purportedly depicts the minaret of an Angolan mosque being dismantled in October 2012, was used at least as early as January 2008 to illustrate an article about the destruction of Bedouin homes in Israel.
Angolan officials have strongly denied the reports of an official crackdown on Islam. "There is no war in Angola against Islam or any other religion," Manuel Fernando, director of the National Institute for Religious Affairs, part of the culture ministry of culture, said on Wednesday. "There is no official position that targets the destruction or closure of places of worship, whichever they are."

 

[sunrise0]

If that had been an authentic hadith then the Prophet would have expelled the Jews and Christians himself. But in fact Jews were still living in Yemen (part of the Arabian Peninsula) until the establishment of the modern State of Israel. Christians have also remained in Yemen continuously.

It may make some sense to reserve the Hijaz for Muslims only, but not the entire Arabic Peninsula.

the hadeeth is authentic. it is in both Al-Bukhari and Muslim

some of the scholars explain your point by saying that the are which is meant is Mecca, Almadina and Al-Yamamah and not the entire Arabian Peninsula.

 

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the hadeeth is authentic. it is in both Al-Bukhari and Muslim

Sunni Muslims may consider it sound, but that doesn't make it authentic.

some of the scholars explain your point by saying that the are which is meant is Mecca, Almadina and Al-Yamamah and not the entire Arabian Peninsula.

In other words, the Hijaz.

 

[smaneck]

the problem is radicals interpret it that way

So why would you persecute and oppress a religion on the basis of its radicals?

So you can make more of them into radicals?

 

[smaneck]

Moscow (not the Russian nation) is being discriminatory & not banning anything; this is wrong but pales in comparison to what Christians & other non adherents to the alleged religion of peace undergo in sharia nations.

Since the Shariah insists that religious minorities living within the realm of Islam (Daru'l-Islam) must be protected, any nation which fails to do so cannot be said to be abiding by the shariah.

Although I suppose that some crusade from 600 years ago or more is ranked alongside some jihadist terror bombing from 6 hours ago as equal proof of being violent.

If you are comparing the two religions, yes, the Crusades is proof that Christianity is at least, if not more violent than Islam. If, on the other hand you are trying to argue that jihadists are no more violent than the average Christian today, that would of course be absurd. But most Muslims are not jihadists.

 

[Serendipity..]

So why would you persecute and oppress a religion on the basis of its radicals?

So you can make more of them into radicals?

because of the radicals. I wouldn't persecute anything but there are things I wouldn't encourage and at the moment every time I see the news Muslims have been causing trouble. I know there is good and bad people involved but until the good overthrows the bad internally in Islam, personally I wouldn't welcome more mosques in my neiborhood. The mosques can open up in your neiborhood.

 

[wn123455]

Since the Shariah insists that religious minorities living within the realm of Islam (Daru'l-Islam) must be protected, any nation which fails to do so cannot be said to be abiding by the shariah.



If you are comparing the two religions, yes, the Crusades is proof that Christianity is at least, if not more violent than Islam. If, on the other hand you are trying to argue that jihadists are no more violent than the average Christian today, that would of course be absurd. But most Muslims are not jihadists.

The crusades was a response to the muslim conquests. Bad things happen during the crusades but islamists will often try to to distort the facts and make the crusades much worst than it really is. islamists will often yell that the crusades was bad but they forget that the muslim conquests caused it.

 

[Lukaris]

Since the Shariah insists that religious minorities living within the realm of Islam (Daru'l-Islam) must be protected, any nation which fails to do so cannot be said to be abiding by the shariah.



If you are comparing the two religions, yes, the Crusades is proof that Christianity is at least, if not more violent than Islam. If, on the other hand you are trying to argue that jihadists are no more violent than the average Christian today, that would of course be absurd. But most Muslims are not jihadists.

It seems wherever they arrive & set up shop, trouble starts. Apparently Angola has laws regarding establishment of religious communities & were these laws obeyed? This seems to be resulting from a large influx of immigrants & then some sort of contentious issue over possibly alleged "freedom of religion" emerges. Honestly, I do not know what to think. It is wrong to censor but whenever they get in control, they are basically the biggest hypocrites. As far as protecting minorities under sharia, please research the history of genocide & aggression towards Armenian, Greek, Lebanese, Syrian, Assyrian etc. Christians in the Middle East.


Speaking of jihad in Africa check the Central African Republic:

Unspeakable horrors in a country on the verge of genocide | World news | The Guardian


The Sudan:

Spencer: Arab League Backs Darfur Genocide - Jihad Watch


Nigeria:

Boko Haram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Outside of Africa:

Thailand:

http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/22/islamist-violence-in-mali-algeria-and-thailand/?_r=0


Burma:

Arabs send more terrorists to Burma to create an Islamic state: ‘Many attempts have been made to send Jihadists to Myanmar’ |


etc. etc.

In one land, the Christian Armenians of the Nagorno Karabakh region fought for their freedom, probably avoided a genocide by jihadists, & are alive today thanks be to God & their determination:

NKR Office in Washington, DC

 

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because of the radicals. I wouldn't persecute anything but there are things I wouldn't encourage

Prohibiting people from having their houses of worship wherever they happen to live is persecution and oppression.

I know there is good and bad people involved but until the good overthrows the bad internally in Islam, personally I wouldn't welcome more mosques in my neiborhood.

Continue to persecute and oppress and you will guarantee that the bad overthrows the good, in your religion as well as theirs.

 

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The crusades was a response to the muslim conquests.

If the Crusaders had done what the Byzantines had asked them to do, namely help them win back Asia Minor, you might have an argument here, but instead, they bypassed Asia Minor entirely and marched down to conquer the Levant, territory never held by Western Europeans. That makes is an act of aggression, not a response to Muslim conquests.

 

[smaneck]

As far as protecting minorities under sharia, please research the history of genocide & aggression towards Armenian, Greek, Lebanese, Syrian, Assyrian etc. Christians in the Middle East.

LOL. Religious minorities in the Islamic world has been my area of specialty. The so-called genocides you refer to were largely the result of the introduction of European nationalism in the 19th century.

Speaking of jihad in Africa check the Central African Republic:

I sure wish you knew the difference between reliable sources and hate websites. A few of these are valid but others are not. In any case, none of this compares to the genocides carried out by Christians in Rwanda and the Congo. And are you seriously going to use Burma, where genocide is being committed *against* Muslims as an example?

 

[wn123455]

LOL. Religious minorities in the Islamic world has been my area of specialty. The so-called genocides you refer to were largely the result of the introduction of European nationalism in the 19th century.



I sure wish you knew the difference between reliable sources and hate websites. A few of these are valid but others are not. In any case, none of this compares to the genocides carried out by Christians in Rwanda and the Congo. And are you seriously going to use Burma, where genocide is being committed *against* Muslims as an example?

Here is why you think genocide is being carried out against muslims in Myanmar. Wirathu lashes out at Time magazine - YouTube

 

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Here is why you think genocide is being carried out against muslims in Myanmar.

I don't *think* genocide is being carried out against Muslims in Myanmar, I *know* genocide is being carried out against them. So far their actions against Muslims coincide step-by-step with the actions Nazis took against the Jews. The
Rohingya, one of the most impoverished people in the world, were denied their citizenship in 1982 even though they have been there for the last 500 years. They are denied access to public education. The Buddhist monk who features in your Vid never explicitly denies the fact, that he has instigated riots against the Rohingya which resulted in the death of thousands. He encourages economic boycotts against them, encourages the state to prohibit intermarriages, all reminiscent of the Nuremberg Laws and the Kristallnacht. Over a hundred thousand are confined in IDP concentration camps.

As to this monks assertion that this is all bunk generated by Arabs, does he really think that the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. which has taken up the cause of the Rohingya are under the influence of Arabs?

Our Walls Bear Witness: The Plight of Burma’s Rohingya — United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

 

[wn123455]

I don't *think* genocide is being carried out against Muslims in Myanmar, I *know* genocide is being carried out against them. So far their actions against Muslims coincide step-by-step with the actions Nazis took against the Jews. The
Rohingya, one of the most impoverished people in the world, were denied their citizenship in 1982 even though they have been there for the last 500 years. They are denied access to public education. The Buddhist monk who features in your Vid never explicitly denies the fact, that he has instigated riots against the Rohingya which resulted in the death of thousands. He encourages economic boycotts against them, encourages the state to prohibit intermarriages, all reminiscent of the Nuremberg Laws and the Kristallnacht. Over a hundred thousand are confined in IDP concentration camps.

As to this monks assertion that this is all bunk generated by Arabs, does he really think that the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. which has taken up the cause of the Rohingya are under the influence of Arabs?

Our Walls Bear Witness: The Plight of Burma’s Rohingya — United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

I never expected the Holocaust museum to be run by juddenrats and dhimmis.

 

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I never expected the Holocaust museum to be run by juddenrats and dhimmis.

Amazing . . .

I suppose you say the same thing about Amnesty International who made this report in 2004, before the most devastating riots of 2012.

"The Rohingyas’ freedom of movement is severely restricted and the vast majority of them have effectively been denied Burmese citizenship. They are also subjected to various forms of extortion and arbitrary taxation; land confiscation; forced eviction and house destruction; and financial restrictions on marriage. Rohingyas continue to be used as forced labourers on roads and at military camps, although the amount of forced labour in northern Rakhine State has decreased over the last decade. […]
In 1978 over 200,000 Rohingyas fled to Bangladesh, following the ‘Nagamin’ (‘Dragon King’) operation of the Burmese army. Officially this campaign was aimed at "scrutinising each individual living in the state, designating citizens and foreigners in accordance with the law and taking actions against foreigners who have filtered into the country illegally." This military campaign directly targeted civilians, and resulted in widespread killings, rape and destruction of mosques and further religious persecution. […]
During 1991–92 a new wave of over a quarter of a million Rohingyas fled to Bangladesh. They reported widespread forced labour, as well as summary executions, torture, and rape. Rohingyas were forced to work without pay by the Burmese army on infrastructure and economic projects, often under harsh conditions. Many other human rights violations were committed by the security forces in the context of forced labour of Rohingya civilians."

 

[sunrise0]

how much ignorance can a person ignore?!

 

[sunrise0]

this is from the Russian TV channel (Russia Today)

it is Russian muslims in the north of Russia

Распространение ислама в Арктике &

the Russian words translate into (The spread of Islam in the Arctic & Russia)


‫إنتشار الإسلام في القطب الشمالي وفي روسيا - Распространение ислама в Арктике и в России‬‎ - YouTube

 

[wn123455]

how much ignorance can a person ignore?!

Is that question directed towards me?

 

[Lukaris]

LOL. Religious minorities in the Islamic world has been my area of specialty. The so-called genocides you refer to were largely the result of the introduction of European nationalism in the 19th century.



I sure wish you knew the difference between reliable sources and hate websites. A few of these are valid but others are not. In any case, none of this compares to the genocides carried out by Christians in Rwanda and the Congo. And are you seriously going to use Burma, where genocide is being committed *against* Muslims as an example?

I question your spin on the facts you claim. You trivialize the Armenian genocide, Greeks, Assyrians etc.

The Armenians: Frequently Asked Questions about the Armenian Genocide

Greeks: The Hellenic Genocide: Quotes from historical documents and related Photos: Site Map

Assyrians: Assyrian International News Agency


Your linking of Christianity to the Rwandan genocide is false since it was tribal in nature between Hutus & Tutsis although both are predominantly nominally Christian. There were even divine warnings to the people to repent & avoid the pending danger according to a faithful Rwandan Christian & genocide survivor: Imaculee Ilibagiza: Immaculée

Your spin on blaming Christianity for the genocide in the Congo is incorrect & it is Christians who are helping the victims of fanatics like the Lord's Resistance Army (which is an insane cult):

'Super nun' in Congo helps victims of Lord's Resistance Army - CNN.com


The conflict in Burma bears more investigation. A Burmese Buddhist viewpoint:
Full text of "Rohingya Hoax"


Your belittling the actual record of the Armenian genocide is something to ponder since Adolf Hitler also trivialized it:

The Obersalzberg Speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia