No-Knock Warrant Results in Death of Minneapolis Man

[Ana the Ist]

This is how you ferret out the true pro-totalitarians.

C'mon...why?

 

[disciple Clint]

That was not the situation in this case, and it often isn't. The police were also in plain clothes, for instance, in the Brianna Taylor case.

How was that not the case in this situation?

 

[variant]

Causes me to think that the man felt very threatened which makes me think that this apartment house was a high violent crime location which accounts for the no knock and the swat team. Since you are well trained, I doubt that you would have pointed a gun at an armed police officer who had identified himself several times.

One would think that individuals have rights to not have police barge in on them and shoot them simply for existing and owning a gun.

 

[disciple Clint]

One would think that individuals have rights to not have police barge in on them and shoot them simply for existing and owning a gun.

shoot them simply for existing and owning a gun.

Try to get the facts correct and stop with the inflammatory statements. The man was shot because he pointed a gun at a police officer. Those are the facts stick to them.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Don't be silly, you can't flush down a person unless you dissolve them in acid, and that takes hours.

From what I understand, you're better off with a strong base like lye than an acid.

America: We're the land of the free, where you can own a gun to defend yourself in your home, and where our second amendment is designed to protect against oppressive government by having a nation of gun owners who can defend themselves.

Also America: Police can smash down the door to your house without announcing who they are, in the middle of the night, and despite the shock and surprise of having people running into your home with guns, if you fail to react exactly as they tell you to, they can just shoot you.

The cognitive gymnastics required to justify both these statements as being true and reasonable are beyond me.

yep

 

[returntosender]

Does the average person sleep with a gun? NO! They barged in. And yet he had time to wake up and point his gun at them. This is a person that is prepared for violence. Probably an area of violence if the truth be known.

 

[Nithavela]

Does the average person sleep with a gun? NO! They barged in. And yet he had time to wake up and point his gun at them. This is a person that is prepared for violence. Probably an area of violence if the truth be known.

Well, if he chose to live in an "area of violence", he shouldn't complain that he got shot.

 

[returntosender]

We have police dressed like police saying they are police and then having a gun pointed at them, what did you expect, Do you think the officer should take the first bullet?

No one uses a battering ram but the police, lol

 

[returntosender]

Is that a saying? Does someone say that?

That's been in the news.

 

[trunks2k]

No one uses a battering ram but the police, lol

Police didn't use a battering ram. They used a key. And Locke didn't point a gun at them. If you watch the video, while the gun is visible, he didn't point it at the police. Locke had something like 9 seconds to realize what was going on. thats no time when you are woken up.

 

[Nithavela]

Police didn't use a battering ram. They used a key. And Locke didn't point a gun at them. If you watch the video, while the gun is visible, he didn't point it at the police. Locke had something like 9 seconds to realize what was going on. thats no time when you are woken up.

This seems like a useless argument. You have to understand that for some people, any kind of movement is enough provocation for deadly force.

They're not being facetious. They just see things different. Where you see a slight twitch of the arm, they see the soon-to-be-dead person with a gun doing a combat roll and raising the weapon with lethal intent.

You have to understand that you inhabit a different reality and go from there. To the nearest bar, preferrably.

 

[Ana the Ist]

One would think that individuals have rights to not have police barge in on them and shoot them simply for existing and owning a gun.

Don't worry so much about rights.

We're rocketing towards totalitarianism. We won't have any.

 

[Ana the Ist]

One would think that individuals have rights to not have police barge in on them and shoot them simply for existing and owning a gun.

Agreed...it's called the 4th Amendment. Police would definitely need a warrant to "barge in". To even get a warrant in the first place, they would need convincing evidence of such a significant threat of crime and danger that a judge would sign a "no knock" warrant. That could be weeks or months of surveillance, multiple pieces of hard evidence, all kinds of witness statements, etc.



Does anyone....anyone at all....know if the police had a warrant?

Is there any information on whether or not the police had a warrant?

 

[variant]

Try to get the facts correct and stop with the inflammatory statements. The man was shot because he pointed a gun at a police officer. Those are the facts stick to them.

He pointed a gun at them in the house that they were breaking into.

Redact that first part, it's not clear any guns were pointed at the officers.

 

[variant]

Agreed...it's called the 4th Amendment. Police would definitely need a warrant to "barge in". To even get a warrant in the first place, they would need convincing evidence of such a significant threat of crime and danger that a judge would sign a "no knock" warrant. That could be weeks or months of surveillance, multiple pieces of hard evidence, all kinds of witness statements, etc.



Does anyone....anyone at all....know if the police had a warrant?

Is there any information on whether or not the police had a warrant?

It's clear that they had a warrant (or at least said so) and also that they came through the door and shot someone seconds later.

We don't know what was in the warrant because the police haven't released it.

 

[disciple Clint]

He pointed a gun at them in the house that they were breaking into.

the house that the were legally entering, keep trying, maybe you can find something to critize the police about if you keep working at it.

 

[variant]

the house that the were legally entering, keep trying, maybe you can find something to critize the police about if you keep working at it.

They murdered the man, came up behind him while he was sleeping on the couch and shot him for being armed.

He is dead because their police work was shoddy and belligerent.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

It is not a legal right to point a gun at a person, when people do that they sometimes end up dead. So just to ease your mind the person was not killed for exercising his legal rights. That misstatement of the facts is simply inflammatory.

He had a legal right to point that gun at what could very well have been an intruder. He was executed by the police for exercising his right to use a gun for self-defense. The police opened fire within 9 seconds of crossing the threshold of the apartment. That is not enough time for a person awakened from sleep to register what is going on and exercise restraint. If that had actually been an intruder who broke in and if he had shot that intruder dead inside the apartment, there would not have been any charges filed against Locke because he was acting in self-defense. If the police are going to appear that much like intruders, bursting in at night, they should not be surprised if they are treated like intruders.

 

[disciple Clint]

It's clear that they had a warrant (or at least said so) and also that they came through the door and shot someone seconds later.

We don't know what was in the warrant because the police haven't released it.

Lets not forget to mention that it is also very clear that a gun was pointed at the police by the person who was shot.

 

[variant]

Lets not forget to mention that it is also very clear that a gun was pointed at the police by the person who was shot.

That was not clear "a gun was seen" you can watch the video yourself.

I don't blame a guy being woken up in the middle of the night reaching for his gun.

They shot a guy wrapped in a blanket waking up from the few split seconds they gave him to assess the situation.