No-Knock Warrant Results in Death of Minneapolis Man

[Pommer]

"Authorities were acting on behalf of the Saint Paul Police Department in connection to a homicide investigation when they entered the place"

Minneapolis Police Release Video Of Amir Locke's Shooting During No-Knock Warrant Raid

Thank you, that was helpful.

 

[HTacianas]

"Evidence might be destroyed" is a lousy reason. Nobody can flush a meth lab or a marijuana farm down a toilet. The only evidence that could be destroyed in such a short time would be a small amount that would not result in an arrest for a crime worth the risk of killing the wrong person. The risk is not worth it for someone with a "dime bag" of crack that could be flushed down a toilet.

Considering the risk of the death of the wrong person, the only justifiable reason for a no-knock raid would be to save the life of someone in imminent danger. Otherwise, the police can wait for a more optimum situation.

Maybe a better idea is that people refrain from murdering each other and destroying peoples lives and communities over illegal drugs instead of engaging in hyperpartisan criticism of the police for trying to put a stop to it.

 

[Pommer]

Maybe a better idea is that people refrain from murdering each other and destroying peoples lives and communities over illegal drugs instead of engaging in hyperpartisan criticism of the police for trying to put a stop to it.

Yes, there are problems in the world, but what do they have to do with this homicide?

 

[HTacianas]

Yes, there are problems in the world, but what do they have to do with this homicide?

Tell me I am misunderstanding your question.

 

[RDKirk]

It is not a legal right to point a gun at a person, when people do that they sometimes end up dead. So just to ease your mind the person was not killed for exercising his legal rights. That misstatement of the facts is simply inflammatory.

Yes, it is in Texas and other castle doctrine states.

 

[RDKirk]

Causes me to think that the man felt very threatened which makes me think that this apartment house was a high violent crime location which accounts for the no knock and the swat team. Since you are well trained, I doubt that you would have pointed a gun at an armed police officer who had identified himself several times.

The video revealed that did not happen before the police were in the house.

And what makes you think home invaders won't also announce that they are police?

 

[RDKirk]

They said on the news that they had the wrong house. It doesn't change the fact that many think the police should do nothing when a gun is aimed at them

That's why the no-knock policies need to be revised. There is no need for such an action unless someone's life is at threat in the premises.

 

[RDKirk]

Maybe a better idea is that people refrain from murdering each other and destroying peoples lives and communities over illegal drugs instead of engaging in hyperpartisan criticism of the police for trying to put a stop to it.

That was not the circumstance here.

 

[HTacianas]

That was not the circumstance here.

Please explain to us what the circumstances were so we all understand.

 

[RDKirk]

Please explain to us what the circumstances were so we all understand.

The circumstance is that the police were in the wrong place.

 

[HTacianas]

The circumstance is that the police were in the wrong place.

What makes you think the police were in the wrong place?

 

[Pommer]

Tell me I am misunderstanding your question.

Are you?
I don’t know what your understanding of my query is, therefore you probably got it right unless you wanna dance that dance?

 

[disciple Clint]

Yes, it is in Texas and other castle doctrine states.

In all states and most foreign countries (maybe even all) people are allowed to defend themselves from death or serious injury. Is there some doubt in your mind that you would protect yourself if someone pointed a gun at you?

 

[disciple Clint]

The video revealed that did not happen before the police were in the house.

And what makes you think home invaders won't also announce that they are police?

The article I read indicated that the police identified themselves multiple times upon entering, I think you understand tactics well enough to know that you do not identify yourself before you breach a door and let people spray the doorway as you enter. regarding your question I will ask you the same question, what makes you think that a criminal is going to falsely announce that its the police. Much more likely that a criminal is going to enter shooting, the first and only announcement will be from the end of a gun.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

In all states and most foreign countries (maybe even all) people are allowed to defend themselves from death or serious injury. Is there some doubt in your mind that you would protect yourself if someone pointed a gun at you?

I think you just debunked the 2nd amendment.

 

[disciple Clint]

I think you just debunked the 2nd amendment.

And you think that because:

 

[Nithavela]

What exactly was the man killed supposed to do? Maybe the supporters of police in this case could enlighten me?

 

[disciple Clint]

What exactly was the man killed supposed to do? Maybe the supporters of police in this case could enlighten me?

It has all been explained previously in this thread. It is clear what the man did that resulted in him being shot.

 

[Nithavela]

It has all been explained previously in this thread. It is clear what the man did that resulted in him being shot.

So your suggestion would be for people to not draw their weapons on people intruding into their home until they have them positively identified them as a threat?

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

And you think that because:

There's no scenario when people can actually use it sucessfully.

Here we have an innocent person in their own home when someone smashes down the door. Surely, if any scenario were to be a case of "a right to bear arms" this would be it.