No common ancestor between man and ape has been found.

[miknik5]

No, your claim that human hybridized with apes is wrong, on several levels. Humans evolved from a common ancestor with apes. Also, humans ARE apes.

No we didn’t and no we aren’t

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

No they didn’t

Yes. Humans evolved from a common ancestor with chimpanzees and other great apes.

 

[miknik5]

Could you list the “several levels”

Yes. Humans evolved from a common ancestor with chimpanzees and other great apes.

Humans did not evolve


They survived

 

[miknik5]

Could you please list the “several levels” upon which you believe this statement to be false


Thanks

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Could you list the “several levels”

I did.
Humans evolved from a common ancestor with apes.
Also, humans ARE apes.

Several levels of you being wrong.

Humans did not evolve They survived

Got any evidence for that claim?

 

[miknik5]

Yes. Humans evolved from a common ancestor with chimpanzees and other great apes.

There is no common ancestor

Just mixed genetic material

 

[miknik5]

I did.
Humans evolved from a common ancestor with apes.
Also, humans ARE apes.

Several levels of you being wrong.



Got any evidence for that claim?

GOD is the evidence of “my claim”

 

[Gene2memE]

Has the remains of a common ancestor ever been found? Can you show me where it was found?

A common ancestor species of what? Between Humans and Chimpanzees? Or between their ancestor species and apes in general? The answer to both is yes - lots of them.

If you want a common ancestor species between humans and chimps, its not difficult to find. It's right there in the cladogram of the human ancestral tree. The hominini tribe - including Australopithecus, Paranthropus and Ardipithecus, among others - has a lot of fossil evidence of Human-Chimp common evolutionary ancestry.

The last common ancestor species, no. We don't know the specific ancestor species between Chimpanzees (Pan) and Human ancestors (hominids). There may actually be no such thing - evolution being what it is**. But, we're looking for candidate species in the fossil record. And, we've got a pretty good idea where and when the separation occured.

**It is advisable to know that evolution is not a straight forward process and speciation events in large, social mammal species are particularly drawn out - as I mentioned, the genetic evidence is that there were multiple branchings, loops and hybridisation events occurring in the separation of the species that eventually led to Chimpanzees and Humans. It's a VERY complicated, and as yet not fully resolved, picture.

 

[miknik5]

I did.
Humans evolved from a common ancestor with apes.
Also, humans ARE apes.

Several levels of you being wrong.



Got any evidence for that claim?

That was your “several levels?”

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

There is no common ancestor

Just mixed genetic material

Do you have any evidence for that claim?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

GOD is the evidence of “my claim”

God told you? Or are you one of those people who says the Bible, the writings of men, is their god?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

That was your “several levels?”

Eyup. And it was a semantically correct statement because it was several levels of wrong.

 

[miknik5]

A common ancestor species of what? Between Humans and Chimpanzees? Or between their ancestor species and apes in general? The answer to both is yes - lots of them.

If you want a common ancestor species between humans and chimps, its not difficult to find. It's right there in the cladogram of the human ancestral tree. The hominini tribe - including Australopithecus, Paranthropus and Ardipithecus, among others - has a lot of fossil evidence of Human-Chimp common evolutionary ancestry.

The last common ancestor species, no. We don't know the specific ancestor species between Chimpanzees (Pan) and Human ancestors (hominids). There may actually be no such thing - evolution being what it is**. But, we're looking for candidate species in the fossil record. And, we've got a pretty good idea where and when the separation occured.

**It is advisable to know that evolution is not a straight forward process and speciation events in large, social mammal species are particularly drawn out - as I mentioned, the genetic evidence is that there were multiple branchings, loops and hybridisation events occurring in the separation of the species that eventually led to Chimpanzees and Humans. It's a VERY complicated, and as yet not fully resolved, picture.

Humans were a stand alone creation

They did not “evolve” from the family of apes

They adapted in spite of what was “wholly wrong”

Thanks to GOD’s long suffering GRACE upon us that we were never completely destroyed

 

[miknik5]

God told you? Or are you one of those people who says the Bible, the writings of men, is their god?

GOD told me
And I am one of those people who KNOW THE WORD OF GOD IS THE WORD OF GOD

 

[miknik5]

Isn’t the cladogram of the human ancestral tree the “writings of men”?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

GOD told me

... okay then. Not really much else I can say towards that without sounding rude or possibly getting flagged by admins, so let's just leave it at that.
But you're still wrong.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Isn’t the cladogram of the human ancestral tree the “writings of men”?

Ah, now you're playing the semantics game. Yes, it was written by scientists but is based from the evidence that we find in nature, aka God's creation.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

@miknik5 please read the 10 most recent threads on this sub-forum before posting again. We really don't need another tiresome tirade of ignorance to deal with.

Thank you.

 

[miknik5]

... okay then. Not really much else I can say towards that without sounding rude or possibly getting flagged by admins, so let's just leave it at that.
But you're still wrong.

If you say so

 

[Gene2memE]

Hybridization?
Could you elaborate?

Sure - somewhere about 8 to 13 million years ago, various populations of the Homininae sub-family (the ancestors for Hominini and Gorillini) began to undergo divergence. There was enough genetic similarity between these population that inbreeding was possible. Based on genetic evidence, this interbreeding occurred multiple times, over millions of years, creating a number of new species via hybridisation - and kicking off further rounds of interbreeding between populations.

Eventually though, these populations became genetically and geographically distinct enough that they ended up creating several different taxonomic tribes, which then went through multiple speciation events of their own, which then went through multiple speciation events of their own, and so on and so forth down the next 6-8 million years.

Eventually, after much back and forth and splitting of lineages, you end up with Humans, Chimpanzees, Ponginae and Hylobatidae.

So, yes there was hybridisation in our ancestral tree.
No, there was not hybridisation between species identifiable as humans and species identifiable as apes (other homo sapien sub-species on the other hand - yes, we interbred a LOT with those).