No common ancestor between man and ape has been found.

[miknik5]

Ah, now you're playing the semantics game. Yes, it was written by scientists but is based from the evidence that we find in nature, aka God's creation.

Yes of course it is based on what is evident and seen before you


You back into what you actually have but can go no further than what you have

And in this you can’t go back to the very beginning at all


Only to and up to the point of the physical evidence that you have
You can’t go back to the original and pure state of being


Which is what this thread is saying

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Sure - somewhere about 8 to 13 million years ago, various populations of the Homininae sub-family (the ancestors for Hominini and Gorillini) began to undergo divergence. There was enough genetic similarity between these population that inbreeding was possible. Based on genetic evidence, this interbreeding occurred multiple times, over millions of years, creating a number of new species via hybridisation - and kicking off further rounds of interbreeding between populations.

Eventually though, these populations became genetically and geographically distinct enough that they ended up creating several different taxonomic tribes, which then went through multiple speciation events of their own, which then went through multiple speciation events of their own, and so on and so forth down the next 6-8 million years.

Eventually, after much back and forth and splitting of lineages, you end up with Humans, Chimpanzees, Ponginae and Hylobatidae.

So, yes there was hybridisation in our ancestral tree.
No, there was not hybridisation between species identifiable as humans and species identifiable as apes (other homo sapien sub-species on the other hand - yes, we interbred a LOT with those).

And that hybridization would have happened during a time when the genetics of the Homini and Gorillini (for just two examples) would still be close for both groups to create viable offspring.

 

[miknik5]

@miknik5 please read the 10 most recent threads on this sub-forum before posting again. We really don't need another tiresome tirade of ignorance to deal with.

Thank you.

Oh hi bungle bear!

How are you?

Maybe I will
Maybe I won’t


I’ll think about it

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yes of course it is based on what is evident and seen before you


You back into what you actually have but can go no further than what you have

And in this you can’t go back to the very beginning at all


Only to and up to the pint of the physical evidence that you have


Which is what this thread is saying

... I did not understand a single part of this post.

 

[miknik5]

And that hybridization would have happened during a time when the genetics of the Homini and Gorillini (for just two examples) would still be close for both groups to create viable offsprin

... I did not understand a single part of this post.

That’s okay. It wasn’t my best explanation

The short of it :

You can’t go back to the ORIGINAL and pure state of being

 

[miknik5]

When there was a human and an ape

In their original and pure state before they intermingled and did what was “wholly wrong”

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

That’s okay. It wasn’t my best explanation

The short of it :

You can’t go back to the ORIGINAL and pure state of being

... that was not something anyone was talking about.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

When there was a human and an ape

In their original and pure state before they intermingled and did what was “wholly wrong”

You are deliberately misunderstanding what is being said on this forum, it looks like. I suggest that you go and actually study what biology actually says about the theory of evolution, then you can come back and talk about it.

 

[miknik5]

Evolution is indeed change

But I want to be clear

We aren’t evolving to a better state of being

Nor are we returning to the original and pure state of being through “evolution”

We can’t and we never will

The only way is.......

 

[miknik5]

You are deliberately misunderstanding what is being said on this forum, it looks like. I suggest that you go and actually study what biology actually says about the theory of evolution, then you can come back and talk about it.

There is no evolution taking place in mankind

What you are describing for the lower created species might be speciation and survival of the species but that does not apply to man

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

There is no evolution taking place in mankind

What you are describing for the lower created species might be speciation and survival of the species but that does not apply to man

... you are just completely wrong.

 

[miknik5]

... you are just completely wrong.

if you say so

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

if you say so

Me and science.

 

[miknik5]

There isn’t an original model from which man and ape evolved from and became what they are today

They may share similar unexpressed genetic material

But that is the result of their intermingling

You won’t find a common ancestor because there isn’t one

 

[miknik5]

Me and science.

And should I answer that

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

There isn’t an original model from which man and ape evolved from and became what they are today

They may share similar unexpressed genetic material

But that is the result of their intermingling

You won’t find a common ancestor because there isn’t one

Please: actually learn what you are arguing against because all you are doing is making yourself look incredibly ignorant.

 

[miknik5]

Please: actually learn what you are arguing against because all you are doing is making yourself look incredibly ignorant.

No thank you

I don’t go backwards to what is temporal

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

No thank you

I don’t go backwards to what is temporal

That makes no sense!

 

[miknik5]

That makes no sense!

It does

Just not to you

It has to do with John 3 and true treasures vs temporal nothings

You’d have to know who is sovereign


And it’s not scientists

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It does

Just not to you

It has to do with John 3 and true treasures vs temporal nothings

You’d have to know who is sovereign


And it’s not scientists

And with that I'm putting you on ignore since you are a really insufferable person.