New fossil shows four-legged fishapod that returned to the water while Tiktaalik ventured onto land

[AV1611VET]

Then you're not actually interested in anything you're asking. As I've already pointed out.

Nor are you interested in educating your cohorts.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

this is like counting to 10 yet you have to skip some numbers since they are missing. Not something they have ever been upfront about.

This is a dishonest analogy meant to deceive. Not something you are being upfront about.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Nor are you interested in educating your cohorts.

No, I'm just not interested in your disingenuous feigning "interest" in topics you don't actually care about. If you actually want to know the answer to your question then read the book by the guy this OP is about. It's a first-person account of the whole thing.

I know you won't as you've said. So... whatever.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, I'm just not interested in your disingenuous feigning "interest" in topics you don't actually care about. If you actually want to know the answer to your question then read the book by the guy this OP is about. It's a first-person account of the whole thing.

I know you won't as you've said. So... whatever.

I'm going to assume you don't know the answer and are stating it to me in the form of an insult.

So be it.

 

[Astrid]

No, I'm just not interested in your disingenuous feigning "interest" in topics you don't actually care about. If you actually want to know the answer to your question then read the book by the guy this OP is about. It's a first-person account of the whole thing.

I know you won't as you've said. So... whatever.

As long as you keep rising to the bait..

 

[AV1611VET]

As long as you keep rising to the bait..

Matthew 4:19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Then answer it for the audience.

I've asked a devastating question here and, left unanswered, just might get some people to start having second thoughts.

Oh man! That's so old school. It doesn't work that way, brother AV! I wish it was that easy, though. It would be great to just say, "Do yourself a favor and have some second thoughts where Jesus is concerned! Be Saved!"

But that doesn't usually work, and for various reasons. Not just because Satan is prancing around.

 

[Astrid]

This is a dishonest analogy meant to deceive. Not something you are being upfront about.

If anything besides disingenuous, dishonest,
ignorant or otherwise fallacious were ever
to come from one of these deniers it would make
this a lot more interesting.

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh man! That's so old school. It doesn't work that way, brother AV!

Do you believe that reluctance exposes attitude?

 

[AV1611VET]

If anything besides disingenuous, dishonest, ignorant or otherwise fallacious were ever to come from one of these deniers it would make this a lot more interesting.

Before one gets interested though, one would have to be able to recognize what is "disingenuous, ignorant or otherwise fallacious" to the degree that they can tell if they're hearing "anything besides."

For example, I say Jesus walked on water.

Am I being:

1. disingenuous
2. ignorant
3. fallacious
4. anything besides that

Can you recognize the correct answer?

And if you say it's #4, then I assume you will consider Jesus walking on water "a lot more interesting"?

Maybe to the point you ask further questions about it?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Do you believe that reluctance exposes attitude?

Yes, but it only exposes one layer or nuance of the human personality. Reluctance may also be variable in that it comes about for difference reason among each individual you encounter who "disagrees" with you.

For instance, you and I disagree about where the locus of God's Revelation is placed in the Old Testament, but the reason for this probably isn't for the reason that either you or I may posit about each others viewpoint. It could actually be due to something else, stemming from some other sets information or background circumstances. So, I don't assume that when I try to evaluate your mindset and vantage point, I have you all figured out. I don't and I won't pretend that I know, even if and when I know you're Independent Baptist.

Not that it matters all that much on the grand scale of things being that you and I are both (more or less) Maximalist, for instance, where the historicity of the bible may reflect archaeological evidences--however fragmentary they are. We both believe Moses was a literal person, who literally led the Hebrew people of the Lord out of Egypt, taking them away, even miraculously dividing the (Whatever, Whichever "Sea" it actually was)......to deliver them into a blessing of a land "flowing with milk and honey."

Atheists, similarly, will have actual reasons for why they doubt which neither you nor I will have any insight into directly. Sure, we might hit the nail on the head occasionally, but for the most part, we'll only be making guesses--even educated ones--about what reasons or forces are indeed at play in their expression of "RELUCTANCE."

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, but it only exposes one layer or nuance of the human personality. Reluctance may also be variable in that it comes about for difference reason among each individual you encounter who "disagrees" with you.

Do you think context plays the biggest part in determining the reason one would reluctantly answer a good question?

Perhaps they don't answer it because they "smell a rat"? or their ego prevents them? or they don't want to admit the questioner has a good point? or they just plain don't know the answer? or they're tired of the conversation? or other reasons?

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

I'm going to assume you don't know the answer and are stating it to me in the form of an insult.

So be it.

I've read the book. You haven't. Assume anything you wish. I'll do the same.

 

[AV1611VET]

I've read the book. You haven't. Assume anything you wish. I'll do the same.

Interesting signature.

I wonder how many agree with it? or don't care?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Do you think context plays the biggest part in determining the reason one would reluctantly answer a good question?

Perhaps they don't answer it because they "smell a rat"? or their ego prevents them? or they don't want to admit the questioner has a good point? or they just plain don't know the answer? or they're tired of the conversation? or other reasons?

I allow that other person to tell me the why and wherefores of their own feelings of reluctance to engage. And sure............there could always be the one or two individuals who show up here on CF to contest with Christians because they're wonked by Satan. But I just don't assume they are.

 

[AV1611VET]

I allow that other person to tell me the why and wherefores of their own feelings of reluctance to engage. And sure............there could always be the one or two individuals who show up here on CF to contest with Christians because they're wonked by Satan. But I just don't assume they are.

Okay, thanks.

 

[sjastro]

I've asked a devastating question here and, left unanswered, just might get some people to start having second thoughts.

 

[AV1611VET]

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I wouldn't expect something that elaborate.

Just a simple "Don't Know" will do.

 

[sjastro]

I wouldn't expect something that elaborate.

Just a simple "Don't Know" will do.

DK incidentally doesn't mean don't know.

 

[Astrid]

I allow that other person to tell me the why and wherefores of their own feelings of reluctance to engage. And sure............there could always be the one or two individuals who show up here on CF to contest with Christians because they're wonked by Satan. But I just don't assume they are.

No wolves in sheep's clothing among the
self professed Christians?
Satan is (said to ) be the master of deceit.

I dont see a lot of free form " interpreting"
of Scrip., or other baloney from the local atheists.