New dating rules?

[exitstageright]

Of course God created sex...but did you not know that he expected our sexuality to be treated with dignity, sacredness , and highly personal ? Sex is only 'good' when Gods ideals about it are maintained .

As for me wanting to finish the discussion on 'penis atrophy' , length , et al... this thread isnt the correct venue for that . However, if you want to kick around some ideas on the subject of our sexuality, id be only too pleased to do it via PM and i think that the C.F. Moderator would encourage us to do so if we are going to get into the specifics of penises, etc.

Animals have sex to reproduce.Therefore,I do not think that two dogs having sex is sacred. Not everything that happens on this earth is spiritually significant. Some people at one time thought that the devil is left handed.

The first time that I ever listened to a radio talk show,I heard the host say,"It is spiritually significant that there are more right-handed people in this world than there are left-handed people."

What the heck does that has to do with one's spiritual condition? These facts may be why some people have negative ideas about the left hand.

(Enmity against left-handers is thought to have begun with ancient sun worship. Most of these sun worshippers lived in the Northern Hemisphere and faced south when worshipping the sun. Under these conditions, the sun appears to move from left to right. Since the sun moved toward the right, ancient peoples saw everything related to the right "good" and everything having to do with the left as "bad."

The Bible contains about 25 unfavorable references to the left hand. In the best known example, in the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus says: "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations: And he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, 'Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.' ... Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, 'Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.'" (Matthew 25:31-34, 41))



I have heard some young christian women say,that the sole reason why they would not date a young christain man is ,that some young christain men are so fanatical,that they must think that there is a demon behind every bush.

 

[exitstageright]

You can genuinely live out the Christian Walk regardless of what language it is in , you can learn about our Creator and his immense love for us, and you can learn about Gods global salvation plan . Furthermore , you can know how you should live and realize what is sin and what isnt .

Yes, i comprehend it and it has been my lifes compass .

It pleases me that I have successfully comunicated with you.

 

[exitstageright]

Here's a question for those of you who do not subscribe to waiting until married to have sex:

How long would you stay in a relationship with a woman that believes that sex is only for married folk? I mean let's say this woman is someone that you really like and think there is a possibility of a long term relationship, but the one thing you disagree on is the sex thing. Would you stay in a relationship with her? if so for how long? if not, why not?

I would definately wait for her.I do not force anyone into having sex with me. My only concern is,that after we get married,that she would use witholding sex from me as a way to manipulate and/or to emoitionally torment me.

 

[blackribbon]

Okay...I can't find the original post to quote...but why is an honest discussion of how the human body works something that should be considered "off limits" or inappropriate on a Christian board for mature adults? I think it is more shameful how much disinformation that exists in the Christian community under the guise of "modesty". It is sad that most people know more about how their computer or car works than their own body or that of their spouse (or potential spouse). The statements made were honest forms of misinformation and my answers are straight forward. And whether anyone wants to face it, sex is a part of (or at least should be a part) of a married relationship. And truthfully, it is probably a big factor in why so many Christian people are divorced. If we cannot be honest and straightforward in our discussions, don't we set ourselves up for failure a second time through?

We have had some interesting conversations on this forum about this topic and I have learned so much both how people of the opposite sex thinks but also about variations within my own sex. There are a few people on this forum who have never been married, but the great majority have been and our "purity" and our Christianity isn't at risk of being taited by an honest conversation about the human body. If we can't discuss things like this within the Christian community, then we risk sending people to the non-Christian community to find answers to their questions about sexuality. And that is when we are much more likely to get into trouble.

 

[exitstageright]

Okay...I can't find the original post to quote...but why is an honest discussion of how the human body works something that should be considered "off limits" or inappropriate on a Christian board for mature adults? I think it is more shameful how much disinformation that exists in the Christian community under the guise of "modesty". It is sad that most people know more about how their computer or car works than their own body or that of their spouse (or potential spouse). The statements made were honest forms of misinformation and my answers are straight forward. And whether anyone wants to face it, sex is a part of (or at least should be a part) of a married relationship. And truthfully, it is probably a big factor in why so many Christian people are divorced. If we cannot be honest and straightforward in our discussions, don't we set ourselves up for failure a second time through?

We have had some interesting conversations on this forum about this topic and I have learned so much both how people of the opposite sex thinks but also about variations within my own sex. There are a few people on this forum who have never been married, but the great majority have been and our "purity" and our Christianity isn't at risk of being taited by an honest conversation about the human body. If we can't discuss things like this within the Christian community, then we risk sending people to the non-Christian community to find answers to their questions about sexuality. And that is when we are much more likely to get into trouble.

I could not have said this any better myself! I am now 59 years old.I have been going to church ever since I was in my mother's womb. My generation has been so misinformed by churches. Southern Baptist churches felt that it was wrong to talk about money and sex in the church.
However many couples have fights over sex and money!

I thank God that my parents were christians,that they brought me up in a christian home,and that they showed me the way to salvation. But socially,they failed awfully as parents. I was never told not to smack my food while I was eating at the table.As a young man,I may have been turning young ladies off by my bad table manners. My mother did not tell me how girls and women think about things. When I was a boy,the only thing that my father told me about girls was,"Never hit a girl in the stomach!"
When well meaning christians fail to give their children information about life,here on earth,they become the epitome of the saying,"Some peope are so heavenly minded,that they are no earthly good."

 

[Doctor Strangelove]

I think there are a few things going on that make the body in general and sexuality in particular taboo in some Christian circles.

Christianity is to a degree still tainted by Gnosticism - the idea that there is a division between what is spiritual and the material, and matter is evil (including our bodies). This is popularly expressed with the incorrect image of heaven being full of happy disembodied spirits floating on clouds. The Gnostics believed that women were evil and inferior. I hear echoes of this when some Christians express an almost Islamic view of a woman's purity or lack thereof.

In our popular culture, sex is considered the end-all, be-all. The liberal churches have fully bought into this, so that everything is about sex, especially if it is something nontraditional. So many conservative churches have ceded sexuality to those who believe in the so-called new morality. All that remains is a list of prohibitions, with little said positive about sexuality. In some extremely conservative circles, purity is idealized as almost a form of asexuality, and marriage is seen as a less spiritual state.

It is interesting that with the liberals, it is anything goes. Everything must be sexualized, and sex is best expressed in nontraditional ways. A man and woman who are married, well that is kind of dull and quaint. On the other side, there are those who uphold traditional marriage. But I think conservatives have lost the battle for traditional marriage in part because they too often treat sexuality as an alien thing that keeps us from being spiritual. How well can you support marriage when you suspect that it is a second-best arrangement for people who aren't "spiritual" enough to deny their sexuality?

 

[dayhiker]

Lot of good comments. yaaaaa

 

[Doctor Strangelove]

Lot of good comments. yaaaaa

I apologize if there is anyone I haven't yet attacked or offended. I'm doing my best.

 

[exitstageright]

I apologize if there is anyone I haven't yet attacked or offended. I'm doing my best.

LOL!!! This is the same for a Major League Baseball Player. If he is playing baseball,on the road,and if the home team fans are not "booing" him,he is not doing his job.

 

[HonestTruth]

The depression level and suicide rate in wealthy neighborhoods is astronomical....they have things but are not happy. They die young of stress related diseases and get divorced because they seldom spend time as a family. Appearances matter more than people's hearts and souls. The happiest people I know are barefoot poor country folks. They grow or hunt what they eat. They spend time with extended family. They don't care that they don't have the lastest electronic gadget. And they still go to church every Sunday because that is still an important part of their social circle.

I have friends that are literally worth millions of dollars and friends who wonder how they are going to pay the rent and bills each month. I'd rather spend an evening with my broke friends because they are more "real"...and sad to say, often more generous with what they do have.

It is just money. It doesn't make you happy. What you do with your life is what makes you happy.

As I am from the ghetto, I'd gladly trade places with your wealthy friends ANY day.

 

[HonestTruth]

I think there are a few things going on that make the body in general and sexuality in particular taboo in some Christian circles.

Christianity is to a degree still tainted by Gnosticism - the idea that there is a division between what is spiritual and the material, and matter is evil (including our bodies). This is popularly expressed with the incorrect image of heaven being full of happy disembodied spirits floating on clouds. The Gnostics believed that women were evil and inferior. I hear echoes of this when some Christians express an almost Islamic view of a woman's purity or lack thereof.

In our popular culture, sex is considered the end-all, be-all. The liberal churches have fully bought into this, so that everything is about sex, especially if it is something nontraditional. So many conservative churches have ceded sexuality to those who believe in the so-called new morality. All that remains is a list of prohibitions, with little said positive about sexuality. In some extremely conservative circles, purity is idealized as almost a form of asexuality, and marriage is seen as a less spiritual state.

It is interesting that with the liberals, it is anything goes. Everything must be sexualized, and sex is best expressed in nontraditional ways. A man and woman who are married, well that is kind of dull and quaint. On the other side, there are those who uphold traditional marriage. But I think conservatives have lost the battle for traditional marriage in part because they too often treat sexuality as an alien thing that keeps us from being spiritual. How well can you support marriage when you suspect that it is a second-best arrangement for people who aren't "spiritual" enough to deny their sexuality?

The most popular mantras on this forum are,


ALWAYS BLAME LIBERALS

or,

ALWAYS BLAME OBAMA



Such nonsense has no basis in reality and is nothing more than delusionalism brought on by mindless adherence to Fox network and television evangelist propaganda.

The fact remains that the Red States - Bible belt - are the biggest users of pornography and have higher rates of illegitimacy than do others. The conservative states, like their conservative churches, like to make a public show of pretending to be ever so sanctimonious, self righteous, closer to God, and better-than-you-can-ever-hope-to-be. But all these pretensions are designed to hide their sexual deviations and other sordid forms of behavior. Instead of blaming liberals or Obama for every sin in the book it's time for hypocritical conservatives to point the finger at themselves and admit to their own sins and to their part in screwing this society if you pardon the pun.


I have posted links to Red states and their love of pornography. I can post it and similar links again if you wish, just to prove a point.

 

[Doctor Strangelove]

I think I criticized both liberals and conservatives. But if it will make you feel better, it's all Obama's fault, whatever it is.

 

[exitstageright]

As I am from the ghetto, I'd gladly trade places with your wealthy friends ANY day.

I was born and reared in the ghetto,also.But,I made it out of the ghetto,not by being a handsome movie star,or a professional athlete.

Having a good education was my ticket out of the ghetto.Actually,by me being born in the ghetto,I can better appriciate being able to travel to places like Israel,Australia,Tahiti,Bora Bora,and Hawaii.

 

[blackribbon]

As I am from the ghetto, I'd gladly trade places with your wealthy friends ANY day.

I wouldn't want either life.

 

[blackribbon]

The most popular mantras on this forum are,


ALWAYS BLAME LIBERALS

or,

ALWAYS BLAME OBAMA

hmmmmm....not on "mature singles"...not sure what you are talking about...we don't get into politics very often and when we do, it seems to have been an comparison of British gov't/society to American gov't/society lately....

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

When I read the post about liberals, I was thinking he was referring to people that have a liberal mindset, that kind of have the anything goes viewpoint, not the liberal in reference to politics. Believe it or not, it is possible to be a liberal thinker without being political. And no one said anything about Obama, until you did.

 

[McMatt]

I have done some research on what the bible says about premarital sex, and as far as I could find, nothing is said about premarital sex specifically. It says a lot about sexual immorality, but what is the biblical definition of sexual immorality exactly?

In regards to the OP, I definitely want to know what the rules are if you guys come up with a list. I am single for the first time in 5 years and I realized that I have no bloody clue what to do lol

 

[dayhiker]

McMatt ... I see you have followed some of my thinking. Sexual immorality could include kissing before marriage for some.

Mat.19:9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

I find it interesting when sexual immorality is defined to include more and more sensual and sexual activities it allows for more and more reasons one can get a divorce! Interesting that I've never heard anyone preach on this topic!

 

[dayhiker]

Michelle just using your post as a jump on to express my point, not to react to your post.

I was almost as conservative as I could be when I was young.
I now know conservatives don't really understand liberals. They think they have no morals often times. Yet I find liberals have a high moral standard that takes a lot of work to live. Their standard is love. Their own love for everyone they meet. That takes a lot of personal relationship work. A conservative just has to obey a rule. Its the rule that has the final authority. Its the rules fault if someone gets hurt. After all they weren't obeying the rule. All I did was try to help them by reminding them of the rule.

A liberal has to get to know the person. Because just as we love each of our children but have to express that differently. Just as the 5 love languages says we have to get to know how the other receives love. We have to know what each individual needs, then figure out if we can love them that way. IE, I don't have enough money to pay everyone's bills, maybe once in a while I can. If I can give that person the love they desire then I give it. If not I hold them in love and pray someone else has what they need. Or maybe I think till I figure out some creative way to help them.

My experience is being a liberal that loves people is the hard way.

That being said, I can be a fundamentalist liberal or conservative .. I know how to do both of those as well!

When I read the post about liberals, I was thinking he was referring to people that have a liberal mindset, that kind of have the anything goes viewpoint, not the liberal in reference to politics. Believe it or not, it is possible to be a liberal thinker without being political. And no one said anything about Obama, until you did.

 

[blackribbon]

Michelle just using your post as a jump on to express my point, not to react to your post.

I was almost as conservative as I could be when I was young.
I now know conservatives don't really understand liberals. They think they have no morals often times. Yet Iule. Its the rule that has the final authority. Its the rules fault if someone gets hurt. After all they weren't obeying the rule. All I did was try find liberals have a high moral standard that takes a lot of work to live. Their standard is love. Their own love for everyone they meet. That takes a lot of personal relationship work. A conservative just has to obey a r to help them by reminding them of the rule.

A liberal has to get to know the person. Because just as we love each of our children but have to express that differently. Just as the 5 love languages says we have to get to know how the other receives love. We have to know what each individual needs, then figure out if we can love them that way. IE, I don't have enough money to pay everyone's bills, maybe once in a while I can. If I can give that person the love they desire then I give it. If not I hold them in love and pray someone else has what they need. Or maybe I think till I figure out some creative way to help them.

My experience is being a liberal that loves people is the hard way.

That being said, I can be a fundamentalist liberal or conservative .. I know how to do both of those as well!

I find the opposite...my liberal friends are some of the most closed-minded and judgemental people I know. The awful things I have been accused of because I take a quiet stand that goes against their beliefs. They won't even take the time to listen to my reasons...I am a racists or cruel or stupid.

Now, I know that this isn't all liberals but I am getting tired of "feel good" over substance. I also get tired of being wicked because I don't believe with someone or do something truly awful like eat meat or defend baby's rights to live once conceived and has a heart beat.