New dating rules?

[TheyCallMeDavid]

Regarding point eleven,any part of the body,that is not or seldomly used,will cause atrophy.

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So, we are permitted to engage in sexual immorality so we dont get atrophy ?

I dont think that reasoning is going to fly too well with an infinitely moral and righteous Creator who expects Us to not behave as Forest Animals.

Lastly, human parts still wont fall off...even if atrophy sets in.

 

[dayhiker]

I don't think anyone here is promoting sexual immorality.

I would be curious if you have an understanding why Bible translators have changed how they translate these verses. When I was a kid the talk was about fornication. Now its about sexual immorality. Now fornication had a very specific meaning when I was a kid, per-marital sex. Sexual immorality seems to be all kinds of sexual activities. Why has there been this change? I've not heard a good explanation. Do you know why? I thought that God's word didn't change!

So, we are permitted to engage in sexual immorality so we dont get atrophy ?

I dont think that reasoning is going to fly too well with an infinitely moral and righteous Creator who expects Us to not behave as Forest Animals.

Lastly, human parts still wont fall off...even if atrophy sets in.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

I don't think anyone here is promoting sexual immorality.

I would be curious if you have an understanding why Bible translators have changed how they translate these verses. When I was a kid the talk was about fornication. Now its about sexual immorality. Now fornication had a very specific meaning when I was a kid, per-marital sex. Sexual immorality seems to be all kinds of sexual activities. Why has there been this change? I've not heard a good explanation. Do you know why? I thought that God's word didn't change!

The book that you referenced in your original post along with the highlighted statement , certainly indicates pre-marital sex which according to The Bible is sexual immorality and forbidden by God. It is aggregious to our Creator who created sex to be between one man and one woman IN marriage...that in 1 Cor. 6 Gods Word says if anyone makes a lifestyle out of doing it, then that the Person is exempt from heaven. In 1 Cor. 5 , Christians are commanded to not to befriend people who profess to be Christian yet who are caught up in sexual immorality. I took the liberty of examining the book here , Modern Dating: A Field Guide: Chiara Atik: 9780373892778: Amazon.com: Books, and it is written by a Secular Author whereby she sees premarital sex as totally permissible .

As Christians, we should refrain from discussions of such books because they clearly go against The Bible and how God wants us to live , particularly in a Dating situation. So, i guess Im wondering why you decided to make such an Original Post as this being a professed Christian (?) Why should we discuss secular sexual standards under the pretense that they are acceptable ? This seems like an oxymoron for a Christian to do. It seems that we should take such a secular concept as the Author states, and compare it to The Bible to expose the perpetrated lie that it is common for the man to be the sexual aggressor in a dating relationship when it is decisively immoral for either Party to be such according to the Bible . Perhaps i should have asked you previously what your view on premarital sex during dating is, as a professed Christian man ; please expound on that if you desire to.

The term 'Sexual Immorality, is a biblical phrase that is used in the Bible and is not a recent inventive phrase ; Sexual Immorality is an umbrella term which entails a plethera of wrongful sexual proclivities including : Sex before marriage, sex during marriage but with someone who is not the persons spouse (adultery) , incest, beastiality, rape, etc...

While the term 'Fornication' was much more popular circa 1960 and prior, its successor term is now PreMarital Sex or Casual Sex or Hookup Sex . The terminology changes according to the Culture at the time, but Gods command to refrain from acts of Sexual Immorality has never changed and neither will its consequences both in this life, and most certainly for eternity.

Reading your original post, prompted me to submit my treatise on the 13 points showing why/how Sexual Immorality is destructive to the individual and societies ., because such secular Books all fail in addressing the real outcomes of this popular american pastime of sexual hedonism . Its sort of like the Big white Elephant in the room which no one wants to admit and address -- but thankfully the Bible does and Christians should expose the lies surrounding the topic when opportunity permits .

In conclusion, professed Christians need to settle the matter of whether they are going to get their truth from whatever the Culture comes up with on sex (a permissible lifestyle of illicit pleasure seeking) , or, to get their truth from Gods Word, his character/nature/and person (for correct living based on loving moral boundaries set by our caring Creator) . Let each choose wisely .

Regards.

 

[exitstageright]

So, we are permitted to engage in sexual immorality so we dont get atrophy ?

I dont think that reasoning is going to fly too well with an infinitely moral and righteous Creator who expects Us to not behave as Forest Animals.

Lastly, human parts still wont fall off...even if atrophy sets in.

No,I did not say that,nor did I imply that. What I meant to say that a christian,man in order to have legal sex,should get married by the time he is,let's 25 years old.While being married,he can "flex and use his sexual muscles". If he choses to remain a virgin until he gets married,and does get married until his forties,there is a good chance that his penis will atrophy and get smaller,due to lack of use.

 

[exitstageright]

The book that you referenced in your original post along with the highlighted statement , certainly indicates pre-marital sex which according to The Bible is sexual immorality and forbidden by God. It is aggregious to our Creator who created sex to be between one man and one woman IN marriage...that in 1 Cor. 6 Gods Word says if anyone makes a lifestyle out of doing it, then that the Person is exempt from heaven. In 1 Cor. 5 , Christians are commanded to not to befriend people who profess to be Christian yet who are caught up in sexual immorality. I took the liberty of examining the book here , Modern Dating: A Field Guide: Chiara Atik: 9780373892778: Amazon.com: Books, and it is written by a Secular Author whereby she sees premarital sex as totally permissible .

As Christians, we should refrain from discussions of such books because they clearly go against The Bible and how God wants us to live , particularly in a Dating situation. So, i guess Im wondering why you decided to make such an Original Post as this being a professed Christian (?) Why should we discuss secular sexual standards under the pretense that they are acceptable ? This seems like an oxymoron for a Christian to do. It seems that we should take such a secular concept as the Author states, and compare it to The Bible to expose the perpetrated lie that it is common for the man to be the sexual aggressor in a dating relationship when it is decisively immoral for either Party to be such according to the Bible . Perhaps i should have asked you previously what your view on premarital sex during dating is, as a professed Christian man ; please expound on that if you desire to.

The term 'Sexual Immorality, is a biblical phrase that is used in the Bible and is not a recent inventive phrase ; Sexual Immorality is an umbrella term which entails a plethera of wrongful sexual proclivities including : Sex before marriage, sex during marriage but with someone who is not the persons spouse (adultery) , incest, beastiality, rape, etc...

While the term 'Fornication' was much more popular circa 1960 and prior, its successor term is now PreMarital Sex or Casual Sex or Hookup Sex . The terminology changes according to the Culture at the time, but Gods command to refrain from acts of Sexual Immorality has never changed and neither will its consequences both in this life, and most certainly for eternity.

Reading your original post, prompted me to submit my treatise on the 13 points showing why/how Sexual Immorality is destructive to the individual and societies ., because such secular Books all fail in addressing the real outcomes of this popular american pastime of sexual hedonism . Its sort of like the Big white Elephant in the room which no one wants to admit and address -- but thankfully the Bible does and Christians should expose the lies surrounding the topic when opportunity permits .

In conclusion, professed Christians need to settle the matter of whether they are going to get their truth from whatever the Culture comes up with on sex (a permissible lifestyle of illicit pleasure seeking) , or, to get their truth from Gods Word, his character/nature/and person (for correct living based on loving moral boundaries set by our caring Creator) . Let each choose wisely .

Regards.

So, are you saying that if christain men,who have already been forgiven and saved,will lose their salvation if they commit one sexual sin? One of the seven deadly sins is the shedding of innocent blood.Now the Head of Syria gassed and murdered over 1,000 children. Are you more upset about sexual sins,or are you more upset about murder? You may be more upset if he had committed fornication with some woman.

God forgives all sins. If God can forgive Paul (Saul) for killing innocent christians,God can forgive men for having illict sex. Now,I am not justifing one having illict sex. I am just putting things into their proper perspective.
You mentioned the Word of God. Are you familuar with this verse,or are you the 2013 version of a Pharasee,who cares more about the law than you care about people,created by God? God did not create us as perfect beings.Maybe ,just maybe this is why God is so quick to forgive us. If God had created all of us to be perfect,there would be no need for a Saviour.

Are you familiar with James 9:8-10?

…8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

So,if you never have committed a sexual sin,what sin or sins are you guilty of?

Let he who is without sin,cast the first stone.

 

[HonestTruth]

I'm still looking for a wealthy wife. If any financially well endowed lady is interested in me, then the feeling is mutual in advance ...

 

[exitstageright]

I'm still looking for a wealthy wife. If any financially well endowed lady is interested in me, then the feeling is mutual in advance ...

Been There! Done that! A "Fool's Paradise" is not always very nice.
My ex is the female version of Ebenezer Scrooge.

Fool's paradise
Was it very nice?
People living in the world for material things
Love has a playful heart
That's where the hatred starts
Causin' harm and replacin' the joy true love can bring
Chorus:
It's just a fool's paradise
It's just a fool's paradise
Was it very nice?


Read more: Chaka Khan - Fool's Paradise Lyrics | MetroLyrics ​

 

[HonestTruth]

I've known plenty of rich people in my life having worked as an accountant for many moons. Trust me, rich people are much happier than the poor.

 

[dayhiker]

Morning David,
I agree that we are to get our morality from the Bible and not from culture. I also believe that we aren't to change the Word of God.
But the meaning of the Greek word porneia has been changed twice from what it meant when the Bible was written. So I stick to the meaning of the word when Jesus, Paul and the other apostles wrote the Bible. The Greek work porneia has has meant prostitution from over 2500 years. It has never had the meaning per-marital sex or sexual immorality.
When the KJV of the Bible was 1st written just after 1600 the word fornication is defined in the OXFORD dictionary to mean prostitution. Book after book that gives the meaning of fornication, derived the Latin fornix, which was one of the slang words for prostitution when Jerome translated the Latin Vulgate Bible in the 300's. Fornication came into the English language just after 1300 and in the Victorian age started to take on the meaning of per-marital sex.
So you can go with the new definition that bring condemnation to so many Christian's, one guy just down the street from me cut off his penis he had so much guilt from listing to his church preach inaccurately the word of God. I'll go with what the Bible said when it was written by the Spirit of God.
Thanks for your concern. I don't take take my views of sex from the culture I live in, but from what the love of God has taught me of 50 yrs of meditating in His Word day and night.

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The term 'Sexual Immorality, is a biblical phrase that is used in the Bible and is not a recent inventive phrase ; Sexual Immorality is an umbrella term which entails a plethera of wrongful sexual proclivities including : Sex before marriage, sex during marriage but with someone who is not the persons spouse (adultery) , incest, beastiality, rape, etc...

While the term 'Fornication' was much more popular circa 1960 and prior, its successor term is now PreMarital Sex or Casual Sex or Hookup Sex . The terminology changes according to the Culture at the time, but Gods command to refrain from acts of Sexual Immorality has never changed and neither will its consequences both in this life, and most certainly for eternity.
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In conclusion, professed Christians need to settle the matter of whether they are going to get their truth from whatever the Culture comes up with on sex (a permissible lifestyle of illicit pleasure seeking) , or, to get their truth from Gods Word, his character/nature/and person (for correct living based on loving moral boundaries set by our caring Creator) . Let each choose wisely .

Regards.

 

[blackribbon]

Regarding point eleven,any part of the body,that is not or seldomly used,will cause atrophy.

at·ro·phy (

t

r

-f

)
n. pl. at·ro·phies 1. Pathology A wasting or decrease in size of a body organ, tissue, or part owing to disease, injury, or lack of use: muscular atrophy of a person affected with paralysis..

Not true when it comes to the genitalia. Besides, men are using that part of the body if they urinate...and hormones keep the rest of the parts healthy the same way your pancreas or adrenal gland works without any conscious intervention on your part.

 

[blackribbon]

No,I did not say that,nor did I imply that. What I meant to say that a christian,man in order to have legal sex,should get married by the time he is,let's 25 years old.While being married,he can "flex and use his sexual muscles". If he choses to remain a virgin until he gets married,and does get married until his forties,there is a good chance that his penis will atrophy and get smaller,due to lack of use.

Where do you get this information? Most men have erections on a regular basis whether or not they are having sex. And the size is NOT a muscular variable, it is genetic. Someone who is having regular relations is not bigger or more "fit" than someone who is a virgin. Any size atrophy comes with age and as the hormones aren't as plentiful..and hits sexually active and nonactive equally.

 

[blackribbon]

I've known plenty of rich people in my life having worked as an accountant for many moons. Trust me, rich people are much happier than the poor.

I have known many rich people and poor people...and it is the attitude toward money that is the greatest factor in happiness. I think I see more happiness in my friends who have little but recognize the important things in life. The richer friends often never have enough money to feel "rich enough"...in spite of the things they do have.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

No,I did not say that,nor did I imply that. What I meant to say that a christian,man in order to have legal sex,should get married by the time he is,let's 25 years old.While being married,he can "flex and use his sexual muscles". If he choses to remain a virgin until he gets married,and does get married until his forties,there is a good chance that his penis will atrophy and get smaller,due to lack of use.

I wish you had explained it better then .

Youd be hard pressed to find scientific proof that a Virgin Mans Penis gets smaller and atrophies if it is not used. Further, nearly every Virgin Man participates in Masturbation prior to marriage. Finally, ive read a report by a Physician that says all thats required to bring about good stimulatiion to a woman, sexually, is a 3" Penis .

I dont think we need to go any further in this conversation .

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

So, are you saying that if christain men,who have already been forgiven and saved,will lose their salvation if they commit one sexual sin? One of the seven deadly sins is the shedding of innocent blood.Now the Head of Syria gassed and murdered over 1,000 children. Are you more upset about sexual sins,or are you more upset about murder? You may be more upset if he had committed fornication with some woman.

God forgives all sins. If God can forgive Paul (Saul) for killing innocent christians,God can forgive men for having illict sex. Now,I am not justifing one having illict sex. I am just putting things into their proper perspective.
You mentioned the Word of God. Are you familuar with this verse,or are you the 2013 version of a Pharasee,who cares more about the law than you care about people,created by God? God did not create us as perfect beings.Maybe ,just maybe this is why God is so quick to forgive us. If God had created all of us to be perfect,there would be no need for a Saviour.

Are you familiar with James 9:8-10?

…8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

So,if you never have committed a sexual sin,what sin or sins are you guilty of?

Let he who is without sin,cast the first stone.

Im just the Messenger ....if you have a problem with sexual rules and consequences set forth by God, then youll have to take it up with him.
Per 1 Cor. 5 and 6 will get a Person eternal condemnation if a lifestyle of sexual sin is had. This assumes no repentence.

Yes, i have engaged in sexual sin and ive repented.

It isnt ME that is condemning anyone...it is the Bible which does and im simply sharing that in this thread.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

Morning David,
I agree that we are to get our morality from the Bible and not from culture. I also believe that we aren't to change the Word of God.
But the meaning of the Greek word porneia has been changed twice from what it meant when the Bible was written. So I stick to the meaning of the word when Jesus, Paul and the other apostles wrote the Bible. The Greek work porneia has has meant prostitution from over 2500 years. It has never had the meaning per-marital sex or sexual immorality.
When the KJV of the Bible was 1st written just after 1600 the word fornication is defined in the OXFORD dictionary to mean prostitution. Book after book that gives the meaning of fornication, derived the Latin fornix, which was one of the slang words for prostitution when Jerome translated the Latin Vulgate Bible in the 300's. Fornication came into the English language just after 1300 and in the Victorian age started to take on the meaning of per-marital sex.
So you can go with the new definition that bring condemnation to so many Christian's, one guy just down the street from me cut off his penis he had so much guilt from listing to his church preach inaccurately the word of God. I'll go with what the Bible said when it was written by the Spirit of God.
Thanks for your concern. I don't take take my views of sex from the culture I live in, but from what the love of God has taught me of 50 yrs of meditating in His Word day and night.

GM to you. Youll find that the word Porneia is where we get the word Pornography from , and Porneia always carried with it the meaning of sexual abberation / sexual deviancy / sexual perversion.

If we just stick to the BIble and what it reports on Sexual Immorality, as in 1 Cor. chapters 5 and 6 , then we will be in line with Gods loving moral mandates and we can feel at peace that we are living according to how he wants us to. This requires constant rejection of the present Sexually illicit Culture we live -- every Christian today should be Counter Culture.

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

OK so let's just agree to disagree because we know that we won't change anyone's mind. We all have our own walk with the Lord and we will answer to Him.
1 Cor 5 is talking mainly about incest in the church and in verse 5 it talks about delivering such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

the phrase "put away from yourselves the evil person is repeated nine times in Deut. as an abiding principle for God's people, applying directly to the case of incest and indirectly to all leavening evil in our lives. This process is redemptive and not punitive and it is talking about the church judging it's members, and God judging the world.

While we may be able to certainly see sin in others we should not become their judges. Remember the man praying that had status and when he saw a poor man come in he prayed "thank God I am not like that man" and God scolded him for that.

We all have shared our views and I don't want to see anyone quit posting so can we just agree to disagree on this one?

 

[blackribbon]

I plugged porneia into a greek (ancient) to english dictionary and it says "prostition and idolatry". Every Bible related translator adds all the extra definitions..but the straight greek to english one didn't have sexual perversions, abberations, or deviancy as part of the strict translation.

Either way, I don't believe that sex outside of marriage is part of God's plan, but I see it more as a rule that protects us (heart, body, and soul) than the great sin against God that our society has made it out to be.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

I plugged porneia into a greek (ancient) to english dictionary and it says "prostition and idolatry". Every Bible related translator adds all the extra definitions..but the straight greek to english one didn't have sexual perversions, abberations, or deviancy as part of the strict translation.

Either way, I don't believe that sex outside of marriage is part of God's plan, but I see it more as a rule that protects us (heart, body, and soul) than the great sin against God that our society has made it out to be.

Its a loving moral mandate by God for our own good ; but it also comes with a stern warning if repentence from it is not sought : 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NIV - Or do you not know that wrongdoers will - Bible Gateway

 

[ladyches]

I don't think women want sex as much as they want to be loved and cherished.....I would prefer to be loved and cherished for who I am as a person, not for the amount of sex, or how good I might be at the act itself.

This.All.Day.Every.Day.

I think there is no defined rule anymore.

And this.

 

[ladyches]

I plugged porneia into a greek (ancient) to english dictionary and it says "prostition and idolatry". Every Bible related translator adds all the extra definitions..but the straight greek to english one didn't have sexual perversions, abberations, or deviancy as part of the strict translation.

Either way, I don't believe that sex outside of marriage is part of God's plan, but I see it more as a rule that protects us (heart, body, and soul) than the great sin against God that our society has made it out to be.

I, too, read that porneia refers to (temple) prostitution and isn't a catch-all phrase for any/every kind of sexual behavior.