Does creationism really say that god adds a new equine species every 12 million years?
Is this really the pattern of special creation?
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New Creationist theory on how life spread out after the flood.
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Does creationism really say that god adds a new equine species every 12 million years?
Is this really the pattern of special creation?
very possibly, but only a few survived the flood. You see, Genesis states that 'there was an evening and a morning, the first day". It says this over a 6 day period, but if you look at the original hebrew, this may be a misunderstanding. I say misunderstanding because the terms 'darkness' and 'light' can have another meaning. Light can be translated as order, whereas darkness can be translated as chaos or/and entropy. This makes more sense than seeing genesis in a more literal sense of meaning photons. God said "let there be light and there was light and God saw the light and it was good". Right before this, it says "God brooded over the surface of the waters of the deep". The waters of the deep is space, not the earth covered in water. The translation should say "God brooded over the chaos of the Universe". He wanted to bring his order into it and make it something to be proud of. Then he brought the order from chaos "let there be light". At the end of each day in creation, God says the darkness will be called night, and the light day. So chaos is night, and order is day. At the end of each creation statement God says "there was an evening (night/chaos) and morning (day/brought into order)". So they are not likely speaking of literal 24 hour periods. It could be that the fish took many years to create and bring into an order. The land animals may have been done in several stages. However, Man was created on day 6 as the last creation, so we are the newest addition.
I must emphasise that I am only hypothesising this, I am currently looking more into it.
I must emphasise that I am only hypothesising this, I am currently looking more into it.
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It depends upon the species that you are looking at.
We have extremely good records for much of sea life. Land life, since fossilization is an extremely rare event, will have gaps. The important fact is that every fossil out there fits very neatly into the evolutionary paradigm, this is something that creationists cannot explain.
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I see, so every 8 to 12 million years new life springs up with records, but everything else in between just simply vanishes? hmm. Bit odd dont you think? With so many dinosaurs going extinct around 65 million years ago, how many species evolved into birds? we should see plenty of transitions for that because dinosaurs were everywhere and we certainly see enough fossils of them.
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nutty, that is not what I said. If you have no idea of what evidence you are arguing against you have no chance of winning any debates.
Just as a favor I will tell you that birds evolved from dinosaurs before the extinction event.
And no, even though we have many different species the record of dinosaurs is very thin compared to how many existed. Look at the tens of thousands of mammals in existence today. The dinosaurs "ruled" for over 100 million years and yet we don't have anywhere near the number of species that exist only today.
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Some changes are gradual, some are not.
A blatant Falsehood.
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Maybe you should actually go to a museum and see what is there instead of sitting at home and surfing "Creation Ministry" websites that lie to you.
How would you know? Have you examined any fossils?
That may happen in some cases, but not all. You are painting with a very wide brush here.
EXACTLY?? How often has God created new species over the last 4 billion years?
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A friend of mine has been collecting fossils for many years and I went with him a few years ago to lyme regis on the english coast. Lots of ammonites there from millions of years ago. Strange thing tho, my friend was showing me shells further up the strata saying "this is what the ammonites evolved into". Couldn't see it myself, I saw it as a huge assumption. It's a bit like digging up a coin from 10 metres, then a pot from 5 metres and saying "Oh look, the pot is newer, the coin is older, so the coin obviously evolved into the pot". The differences were just too great, nothing I saw showed a gradual transition.
I have another friend who studies insects, and I was amazed when he showed me a picture of a dragonfly from millions of years ago. Massive in size compared to today, but that's explained by higher oxygen levels. However, it looks the same. What happened to its evolution? Millions of years and all it has done is shrunk, but that's not evolution, that's limitation due to air quality.
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Coins and pots don't reproduce. Your analogy fails at the most basic level.
It doesn't look the same. It's bigger.
No, it's evolution. And it's not 'air quality', it's oxygen content.
What do you think evolution is?
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Larger, smaller, that's just scaling due to available fuel, not what I would call evolution. Look, the insect has ALWAYS been limited in growth by oxygen availability, even millions of years ago. Today they are smaller due to lower oxygen. What evolved to change anything? nothing. This restriction has always existed. Is that the best argument you can offer?
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It doesn't matter what you'd call it. It is evolution. It's bigger, yes, but it's not the same creature.
The environment changed and insects changed along with it. That's natural selection. It's evolution, by definition. That you don't want to call it that makes no difference. A dragonfly today is not the same animal as a dragonfly millions of years ago.
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Elephants and mice breath in the same atmosphere, so why is one so much larger than the other?
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So how large did these get then
as big as they can with available oxygen. Hardly a 2 metre wingspan is it
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You are the one trying to make a point by showing pics of large insects. I'm saying they are still limited, just as they have been for millions of years. That is not evolution you are presenting in any shape or form.
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No, I'm not.
Yes, it is. It's natural selection.
Meganuera - the big dragonfly you're talking about - is not the same thing as dragonflies today. Dragonflies came from meganuera, but they're not the same thing.
http://dragonflyevolution.wikispaces.com/Extinct+Dragonfly
It evolved.
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Not the same thing? so you didn't look at it and say "hmm dragonfly"?
It has a difference of veins and patterns of them on the wings. If you put some in a chamber with higher oxygen, don't you agree it would grow more veins to support the wings?
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No, because it's not a 'dragonfly'. It's related to a dragonfly, but they're another species. What part of this aren't you getting?
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Elephants and mice breathe the same atmosphere and have the same access to food, so why are their sizes so different?
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