New Creationist theory on how life spread out after the flood.

[nuttypiglet]

Elephants and mice breathe the same atmosphere and have the same access to food, so why are their sizes so different?

The topic was insects and we all know they are limited by oxygen to air ratio. They don't have lungs with a large surface area to gas exchange with, they have no way to increase oxygen levels in their blood.

 

[Loudmouth]

The topic was insects and we all know they are limited by oxygen to air ratio. They don't have lungs with a large surface area to gas exchange with, they have no way to increase oxygen levels in their blood.

So why are elephants and mice different sizes? Here is what you said before:

"Larger, smaller, that's just scaling due to available fuel, not what I would call evolution."

So how do you explain why mice and elephants are different sizes?

 

[nuttypiglet]

So why are elephants and mice different sizes? Here is what you said before:

"Larger, smaller, that's just scaling due to available fuel, not what I would call evolution."

So how do you explain why mice and elephants are different sizes?

The original kinds were created that way, and the ones remaining have adapted to suite their current environments.

 

[Loudmouth]

The original kinds were created that way, and the ones remaining have adapted to suite their current environments.

Evidence please.

 

[nuttypiglet]

Evidence please.

The evidence is all around you, you just need to open your eyes and look.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The evidence is all around you, you just need to open your eyes and look.

In other words, you got nothing.

 

[CabVet]

The evidence is all around you, you just need to open your eyes and look.

The same evidence that points to a 100% natural process. Yeah, right.

 

[CabVet]

The original kinds were created that way, and the ones remaining have adapted to suite their current environments.

Define "kind".

 

[AceHero]

You are still missing the point.

You have not done the experiments. You have not seen the evidence. You have to either believe what other people tell you, or not believe. You could do the experiments yourself, perhaps, but you haven't, and you won't, just like the rest of us.

So for the vast majority of people in the world, science is still a belief system. Unless you do the research yourself, you are believing in somebody.

Have you personally performed any tests that prove the mechanism of creationism?

A friend of mine has been collecting fossils for many years and I went with him a few years ago to lyme regis on the english coast. Lots of ammonites there from millions of years ago. Strange thing tho, my friend was showing me shells further up the strata saying "this is what the ammonites evolved into". Couldn't see it myself, I saw it as a huge assumption. It's a bit like digging up a coin from 10 metres, then a pot from 5 metres and saying "Oh look, the pot is newer, the coin is older, so the coin obviously evolved into the pot". The differences were just too great, nothing I saw showed a gradual transition.
I have another friend who studies insects, and I was amazed when he showed me a picture of a dragonfly from millions of years ago. Massive in size compared to today, but that's explained by higher oxygen levels. However, it looks the same. What happened to its evolution? Millions of years and all it has done is shrunk, but that's not evolution, that's limitation due to air quality.

I have a friend that is a theologian too. He showed me an original KJV 1611 Bible.

But do you have any proof that it's 402 years old? I'll bet there were some gaps on that bookshelf.

Coins and pots don't reproduce. Your analogy fails at the most basic level.



It doesn't look the same. It's bigger.



No, it's evolution. And it's not 'air quality', it's oxygen content.

What do you think evolution is?

Larger, smaller, that's just scaling due to available fuel, not what I would call evolution. Look, the insect has ALWAYS been limited in growth by oxygen availability, even millions of years ago. Today they are smaller due to lower oxygen. What evolved to change anything? nothing. This restriction has always existed. Is that the best argument you can offer?

Uh, it evolved to adapt to the changing oxygen content. How hard is that to understand?

 

[EternalDragon]

Does creationism really say that god adds a new equine species every 12 million years?

Is this really the pattern of special creation?

Another imaginary picture made up of bones dug up who knows where and then placed in a neat little imaginary evolution tree based one similarities. I suppose this is the sort of brain washing we see in schools today.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Another imaginary picture made up of bones dug up who knows where and then placed in a neat little imaginary evolution tree based one similarities. I suppose this is the sort of brain washing we see in schools today.

What are you babbling about?

 

[AV1611VET]

What are you babbling about?

Satan will surface with a lie if he has to -- especially if the lie is a scientific one.

He doesn't care if the lie will be caught later ... as long as it keeps the tenor of evolution moving forward in the public's eye.

Thus when Haeckel's drawings were exposed as a fake, it was no big deal.

The damage had already been done as far as the general public was concerned.

 

[nuttypiglet]

Define "kind".

been done

 

[nuttypiglet]

So why are elephants and mice different sizes? Here is what you said before:

"Larger, smaller, that's just scaling due to available fuel, not what I would call evolution."

So how do you explain why mice and elephants are different sizes?

the discussion was insects so why are you adding oranges to apples now?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Satan will surface with a lie if he has to -- especially if the lie is a scientific one.

You mean religious one -- the Bible says he masquerades as an Angel of Light; not so much as a man in a lab coat.

What happened, AV? Got bored with reimagining God in your own image so you've moved on to Satan?

He doesn't care if the lie will be caught later ... as long as it keeps the tenor of evolution moving forward in the public's eye.

Thus when Haeckel's drawings were exposed as a fake, it was no big deal.

No, it was no big deal because you don't understand the point of it... but that's ok, AV.

The damage had already been done as far as the general public was concerned.

And yet you continue to do the damage...

 

[TLK Valentine]

the discussion was insects so why are you adding oranges to apples now?

So oxygen levels affect insects but no other living things?

 

[TLK Valentine]

been done

Humor us -- do it again.

 

[nuttypiglet]

You mean religious one -- the Bible says he masquerades as an Angel of Light; not so much as a man in a lab coat.

What happened, AV? Got bored with reimagining God in your own image so you've moved on to Satan?



No, it was no big deal because you don't understand the point of it... but that's ok, AV.



And yet you continue to do the damage...

Lucifer is the Father of lies and deception, he managed to convince Eve to fall from God and then trick her to do the same to Adam. A third of the Angels are with him, that's quite an army whispering into the ears of the evols. Without the shield of Christ, we are easy targets. Look at what he did to Job, and he didn't appear as an Angel of light, he was invisible. I think you greatly underestimate the evil in this world.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Lucifer is the Father of lies and deception, he managed to convince Eve to fall from God and then trick her to do the same to Adam.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg -- think of all the "saved" people proud enough to think they'd never fall for him...

A third of the Angels are with him, that's quite an army whispering into the ears of the evols.

Think of what he's whispering into everyone else's ears -- sowing dissent, causing discord and strife, manufacturing enemies for the devout...

but of course, Christians are far too clever to fall for that, right?

Without the shield of Christ, we are easy targets.

Quite so -- and if I were the father of lies, my biggest project would be convincing followers that they already had the "shield of Christ."

Look at the shootings at Ft. Hood or the DC navel yard -- how do military bases get hit like that? Simple: the time people are most likely to drop their guard is when they think they're already being guarded.

Look at what he did to Job, and he didn't appear as an Angel of light, he was invisible. I think you greatly underestimate the evil in this world.

I think you're underestimating it -- and don't forget about Job -- everything Satan did was not just with God's approval, but by His command.

The Prince of Darkness always follows the orders of the King of Kings... even when the orders are "sic 'im!"

 

[Split Rock]

Another imaginary picture made up of bones dug up who knows where and then placed in a neat little imaginary evolution tree based one similarities. I suppose this is the sort of brain washing we see in schools today.

Yes, stick your head in the sand and tell us you know "the Truth." The fossils were all dug up in North America, where Equus evolved, and there is a certain order to where in the record they were found. You cannot hope to find a better example of a series of transitionals, which is what you guys keep asking for. When we give it to you we get, "some fossil bones dug up somewhere and lined up." Whatever. Oh, and btw, this is what scientists use to do their job.