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(Genesis 6–9) describes a worldwide flood (the Noachian Flood) covering even the highest
mountains of the earth and the construction of a huge boat (a rectangular box-like craft) that transported animals, at least two of a kind of all land animals on the earth. Bible says that the rains that created the Noachian Flood lasted for 40 days (Genesis 7:17), that the waters prevailed on the earth for 150 days (Genesis 7:24), and after these 150 days the waters gradually receded from the earth so that by the seventh month and the seventeenth day, Noah’s Ark came to rest upon the mountains of Ararat (Genesis 8:4). A year plus two
months and twenty-seven days later the earth was dry enough so that
Noah,his family,and the load of animals could disembark from the Ark
(Genesis 8:14). Because this flood was intended by God to destroy all flesh on earth
(Genesis 6:13) and because sedimentary rocks on all continents
contain fossils that supposedly represent the “destroyed flesh of all
life,” it might be thought that the Bible story, describing a whole earth flood, was true. However, interlayered with these fossil-bearing sedimentary rocks on all continents are layers of evaporite rock salt (sodium chloride), gypsum
(hydrated calcium sulfate), anhydrite (calcium sulfate), and various
potash and magnesium salts, which are associated with red beds
(shales) containing fossilized mud cracks (Schreiber and others 2007).
Many of these mineral compounds and red beds have combined thicknesses on different continents of more than one kilometer (~3,281 feet) (Collins 2006). The
red beds are red because they contain red hematite (iron oxide) which formed from magnetite grains. Raindrop prints occur in many places around the world which could not have been formed or preserved if the muds (now in
shales) containing these prints were deposited under water
during Noah’s flood. (Senter 2011; Hill et al. 2016) Nests of dinosaur eggs are found in several places around the world, and it is illogical that dinosaurs could have had enough time to create these nests and lay their eggs while they were
fleeing from rising waters to reach higher ground. (Senter
2011; Hill et al. 2016)
a marine sea was once present and to disappear when the sea became
completely dry. Therefore, one could expect these evaporites to
be at the top of the supposed Noachian Flood deposits when the
water supposedly receded and the land dried out, but certainly not in
different levels in between older and younger fossiliferous “Flood
deposits”. We read in the Bible that there is only one time in which the Flood
waters are said to recede and leave the earth dry. That is, no multiple
worldwide climatic conditions are described in which flooding, then
drying to a dry earth, more flooding, more drying to a dry earth, in
repeated cycles that occur over and over again in that Flood year. On
that basis, it is logical that all the kinds of evaporite deposits and red beds in many different levels in the supposed Noachian Flood deposits could form only in local climates with desert drying-conditions and could not possibly have formed all at the same time — a time when flood covered the whole earth for more than one year (Collins 2006). On that basis, the Noachian Flood story cannot describe a whole-earth flood, but it could only represent a
large regional flood.

Source: Creationism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
Young Earth Creationism | National Center for Science Education
Flood Geology and the Grand Canyon: What Does the Evidence Really Say? - Articles
https://www.letu.edu/academics/arts-and-sciences/files/plate-tectonics.pdf
Yes, Noah's Flood May Have Happened, But Not Over the Whole Earth | National Center for Science Education
http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Nr38Reasons.pdf
 

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(Genesis 6–9) describes a worldwide flood (the Noachian Flood) covering even the highest
mountains of the earth and the construction of a huge boat (a rectangular box-like craft) that transported animals, at least two of a kind of all land animals on the earth. Bible says that the rains that created the Noachian Flood lasted for 40 days (Genesis 7:17), that the waters prevailed on the earth for 150 days (Genesis 7:24), and after these 150 days the waters gradually receded from the earth so that by the seventh month and the seventeenth day, Noah’s Ark came to rest upon the mountains of Ararat (Genesis 8:4). A year plus two
months and twenty-seven days later the earth was dry enough so that
Noah,his family,and the load of animals could disembark from the Ark
(Genesis 8:14). Because this flood was intended by God to destroy all flesh on earth
(Genesis 6:13) and because sedimentary rocks on all continents
contain fossils that supposedly represent the “destroyed flesh of all
life,” it might be thought that the Bible story, describing a whole earth flood, was true. However, interlayered with these fossil-bearing sedimentary rocks on all continents are layers of evaporite rock salt (sodium chloride), gypsum
(hydrated calcium sulfate), anhydrite (calcium sulfate), and various
potash and magnesium salts, which are associated with red beds
(shales) containing fossilized mud cracks (Schreiber and others 2007).
Many of these mineral compounds and red beds have combined thicknesses on different continents of more than one kilometer (~3,281 feet) (Collins 2006). The
red beds are red because they contain red hematite (iron oxide) which formed from magnetite grains. Raindrop prints occur in many places around the world which could not have been formed or preserved if the muds (now in
shales) containing these prints were deposited under water
during Noah’s flood. (Senter 2011; Hill et al. 2016) Nests of dinosaur eggs are found in several places around the world, and it is illogical that dinosaurs could have had enough time to create these nests and lay their eggs while they were
fleeing from rising waters to reach higher ground. (Senter
2011; Hill et al. 2016)
a marine sea was once present and to disappear when the sea became
completely dry. Therefore, one could expect these evaporites to
be at the top of the supposed Noachian Flood deposits when the
water supposedly receded and the land dried out, but certainly not in
different levels in between older and younger fossiliferous “Flood
deposits”. We read in the Bible that there is only one time in which the Flood
waters are said to recede and leave the earth dry. That is, no multiple
worldwide climatic conditions are described in which flooding, then
drying to a dry earth, more flooding, more drying to a dry earth, in
repeated cycles that occur over and over again in that Flood year. On
that basis, it is logical that all the kinds of evaporite deposits and red beds in many different levels in the supposed Noachian Flood deposits could form only in local climates with desert drying-conditions and could not possibly have formed all at the same time — a time when flood covered the whole earth for more than one year (Collins 2006). On that basis, the Noachian Flood story cannot describe a whole-earth flood, but it could only represent a
large regional flood.

Source: Creationism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
Young Earth Creationism | National Center for Science Education
Flood Geology and the Grand Canyon: What Does the Evidence Really Say? - Articles
https://www.letu.edu/academics/arts-and-sciences/files/plate-tectonics.pdf
Yes, Noah's Flood May Have Happened, But Not Over the Whole Earth | National Center for Science Education
http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Nr38Reasons.pdf

It's more likely that there was a disastrous flood of some sort or another and left little time for people to flee. They couldn't take all of their livestock with them so they took a male and female of each to begin again once they reached safety.
 
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It's more likely that there was a disastrous flood of some sort or another and left little time for people to flee. They couldn't take all of their livestock with them so they took a male and female of each to begin again once they reached safety.
this thread is addressing hyper-literalism on the Noahs flood which does not even be coherent to scientific and biological studies of course the flood happened but the idea of a world flood has to be provable
 
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this thread is addressing hyper-literalism on the Noahs flood which does not even be coherent to scientific and biological studies of course the flood happened but the idea of a world flood has to be provable

No it does not
 
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No it does not
yes very much so the sources i sent has biological and scientific proven things it would hurt to see hyper-literalist explain something that already been proven true
 
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yes very much so the sources i sent has biological and scientific proven things it would hurt to see hyper-literalist explain something that already been proven true

Nothing in the Bible needs to be approved by pagan science first, to then be believed.

God does not need an editor to check His accounts given in the Bible.
 
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yes very much so the sources i sent has biological and scientific proven things it would hurt to see hyper-literalist explain something that already been proven true

If you do believe that way, well then you are open to deception.
 
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Nothing in the Bible needs to be approved by pagan science first, to then be believed.

God does not need an editor to check His accounts given in the Bible.
science isnt pagan you do know the bible is scientific and the entirety of our bible aligns with science
 
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science isnt pagan you do know the bible is scientific and the entirety of our bible aligns with science

Science had it origin's from pagan people. And there is nothing in the Bible that lines up with the lies of science.
 
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...of course the flood happened but the idea of a world flood has to be provable
...Only to people who imagine that the entire planet was flooded to the extent you recounted it for us, using Scripture.

Nothing changes if the deluge covered only the world as it was known to the people involved, so there's no need to "prove" the theory held by the hyper-literalists--no more than there would be a need to "prove" to people at the other end of the argument that the whole Bible is fiction.
 
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this thread is addressing hyper-literalism on the Noahs flood which does not even be coherent to scientific and biological studies of course the flood happened but the idea of a world flood has to be provable

Couldn't we prove that a worldwide flood occurred from the Bible? What if the Bible says that a worldwide flood occurred? What if the idea of only a local flood turns out to contradict Scripture?
 
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What if the Bible says that a worldwide flood occurred? What if the idea of only a local flood turns out to contradict Scripture?
It doesn't, but I don't get that the preceding posts were favoring "only a local" flood."
 
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It doesn't, but I don't get that the preceding posts were favoring "only a local" flood."

I could imagine local flood theories that would be highly problematic. The Bible seems to teach, for example, that all living humans descended from Shem, Ham, and Japheth. If there were some interpretation that allowed for other lineages who did not perish in the flood I would find it problematic.
 
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Couldn't we prove that a worldwide flood occurred from the Bible? What if the Bible says that a worldwide flood occurred? What if the idea of only a local flood turns out to contradict Scripture?
it would be very disingenuous to say that when we know the bible could prove regional or global a exegesis of scripture always should be put a foot every verse you can use that can prove world flood can also prove regional interpretation always interpreted differently
 
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Right a local flood can kill off everything that moves on earth.

And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man.
all life started in the middle east right it can literally mean all flesh in regards to the flesh that was alive which was all in the middle east which we understood with pangea so a regional flood could still kill all flesh
 
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I could imagine local flood theories that would be highly problematic. The Bible seems to teach, for example, that all living humans descended from Shem, Ham, and Japheth. If there were some interpretation that allowed for other lineages who did not perish in the flood I would find it problematic.
what other life was said to be spreaded outside them in Genesis? did God spread all people throughout the world before the flood?
 
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It doesn't, but I don't get that the preceding posts were favoring "only a local" flood."
the thing i am advocating for is regional flood which can be accepted biblically and scientifically with pangea and what God first put life upon
 
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