The difference between the compassion that I HAVE and the kind that YOU have..is that if there was someone that had clinical depression that is standing on the edge of a 10 story building fixign to jump?Is you would tell them..thats COMPLETELY understandable that you want to jump..its part of the depression it can lead to that..I have so much sympathy for YOU that you want to kill your self..you can NOT help that you feel that way..you have a disease..many people can not EASILY over come it and for some its downright impossible..and many many depressed people do in fact committ suicide..I feel SO sorry for you ..I hold NO judgment over you ..I have KNOWN people that were depressed..They tried and tried and just never got better..and that is so sad..I have SO much compassion for that..
Faith..they would NOT put YOU ..as much sympathy and compassion as you have.with your bleeding heart...on a team for suicide prevention..they would NOT send YOU up to negotiate with the potential suicide victim..in fact they woudl tell you "stand back lady"..
The people with REAL compassion would listen to them and what their problems are..know the details..pay attention sympathise....and then try and convince them they do not HAVE to do it..people do care and there is help.You can overcome this..OTHER people have had these feelings you are NOT alone..and they have recovered and gone on to feel happy again..but the first step is dont jump..then you MUST..recieve treatment..
You seem to be the one that wants to REJECT the part where they have a CHOICE..because for some reason you see that as being UNSYMPATHETIC and lacking compassion and I do NOT agree.I see that as trying to convince the person they are NOT helpless and there is HOPE.Which is a compassionate thing to do ..You do not tell them they dont REALLY have much choice in the matter because thats the "nature of depression".And everybody will understand if they go ahead and kill themselves..
Wow! How did this thread turn into a discussion about alcoholism?? Dallas, you seem to have A LOT of pain in your life. No wonder you are always on the defensive. But you do have a tendency to take 1 remark out of 100 and define a person by it, quoting, requoting, and generally distortiing it to oblivion until it has turned into something entirely different and unrecognizable from the way it was originally intended and used. I think this is why Faith is throwing up her hands, saying...what what???
The distortion was I have been REPEATEDLY ACCUSED Sasha..not "one stamement" of having no compassion for addicts or sympathy..Just on this PAGE again ..Faith flat out said that I didnt "seem" to think that addicts "deserved any compassion"..the closest she got to retracting that is but "maybe I'm wrong about that"..
Dallas, I don't know you, and so I don't know who you are. But you have so much anger. That is obvious to anyone, and you do push that onto others by treating them like your enemies if they don't agree with you. You give the impression (and I say impression because I don't know you personally) that one must walk on eggshells around you or you might blow. That's all. Take it or leave it. As you so rightly said, it's your choice.
I was pointing out where I felt the disconnect was due to how you were wording your posts. I have not accused you of anything.
So, I'm not really seeing what the disconnect is between what I'm saying and what you're saying. Other than I seem to think that addicts deserve compassion and you don't .
You did, FP...and this was AFTER Dallas had already said she IS an addict and had gone into some detail of what she has dealt with with her sister.
This is an accusation...IMO...
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Leave it alone, mk. I've already apologized and moved on from it. Please don't rehash it just because you feel the need to show me my faults.
I was pointing out where I felt the disconnect was due to how you were wording your posts. I have not accused you of anything.Sasha's right. There is a defensiveness to your posts b/c you are putting something to my words that is simply not there. Rather than take me at my word for it, you are getting increasingly angry about it.
I'm sorry, dallas. I wasn't accusing you of anything. I was trying to flesh out what the disagreement was between us in hopes of gaining a better understanding on both sides. I can't make you accept the apology or make you see that we apparently are very much aligned in how we think about this stuff even if our words came out very differently. But, for whatever it's worth - it's out there on the table. Take it or leave it.
I didnt see your apology Faith..I TBH stopped reading your comments about 5 posts ago..
But its O.K..I accept.I dont want to argue about it anymore..
Dallas
I would like to sa one more thing though..You in fact DID accuse me poitn blank..and more than once of having no compassion Faith..
By denying that and then saying Im just defensive I do not need your apology.You said "your sorry and you "weretn" accusing me..So exaclty what are you apologizng for Faith?That I got angry at you and defensive over nothign you did wrong?
I did take you at yoru word Faith..over and over you said I dont have comapssion ..r seem to have commpassion or sympathy for addicts..that is what I was in your words.."defensive and angry"..
Take it or leave it?I leave it Faith..I'm not going to accept an apolgy thats not even an apology for anything you think you did wrong..Or even that you were mistaken about what you kept repeating over and over..
Thats not how I roll..
Dallas
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