Nearly every voting bloc moved to the right in this election

[BPPLEE]

It's a well documented phenomenon. Loan practices create housing discrimination, study after study has shown that identical applications will be received differently depending on whether or not the name sounds white, there are disparate punishments for the same infractions depending on the race of the individual, there are structural issues that block access to health care. The myth is that it doesn't exist.

I’ve worked in hospitals the last 16 years. There is no problem with access

 

[Fervent]

I’ve worked in hospitals the last 16 years. There is no problem with access

Your anecdotal experience is nice, but studies show otherwise.

 

[BPPLEE]

Your anecdotal experience is nice, but studies show otherwise.

Studies show whatever the researchers want them to show

 

[Fervent]

Studies show whatever the researchers want them to show

You think a single individual's experience is more reflective of reality than methodical population studies?

 

[BPPLEE]

You think a single individual's experience is more reflective of reality than methodical population studies?

Access is affected by other factors than race, correlation is not causation. In my experience there is plenty of access and disparity is not caused solely by race.

 

[rjs330]

Care to suggest a couple other explanations for the group disparities?

Cultural differences, lack of interest in pursuing certain careers, a constant drumbeat of negativity telling them they can't because America is such a racist country they can't succeed which then can drain desire. Lack of family structure.

 

[Fervent]

Cultural differences,

What cultural differences would those be?

lack of interest in pursuing certain careers,

It's not a local phenomenon, but one that crosses careers in general. Do you think black people are just interested in low-wage jobs and not interested in economic advancement?

a constant drumbeat of negativity telling them they can't because America is such a racist country they can't succeed which then can drain desire.

You seem to misunderstand the concept of institutional racism, because it's not about personal attitudes but entrenched self-perpetuating systemic problems. Wealth disparity, a lack of viable career paths that make criminality seem like the only pathway to "success", being stuck in the poverty cycle....

Lack of family structure.

That's one of the systemic issues, because a major cause of the destruction of the black family was racist welfare policies that encouraged women to not have a father in the lives of their children

 

[Chesterton]

What cultural differences would those be?

tl;dr - differences in popular music is a big one.

Long answer - I once lived where I had a nearby neighbor who liked rap music. I know because he'd sometimes play it when he was working on his car, or doing something out in the yard. He had a young daughter, maybe 3 years old, and one day they had a birthday party for her in their backyard. About a dozen of her little friends were there, and something that struck me was that the music I heard playing at the party was stuff like Fleetwood Mac, Eric Clapton, etc. This happened every birthday for several years. But it only took the first time for me, (as an amateur social scientist ,) to realize that he probably didn't want his daughter and her young friends listening to rap music, where criminality is glorified, and it's really cool to kill people, and beat people, and sell drugs, and sexually degrade women, etc.

Now, is there "bad" white people music? Yeah there is. I think of the song "I Fought The Law" from the 1950's. I think of the later outlaw country music song "Mama Tried" which includes the line "I turned 21 in prison serving life without parole". But there was a very successful rap label called Death Row. Neither rock nor country music took it that far.

Particularly bad white music, let's say punk rock or death metal, was never Top 40, few of those artists became household names. But I was listening to a rap radio station morning show once in the early 2000's. A little girl called in to request the Clipse song "Grindin'", but she didn't know the name and asked for "the patty cake song", because it has the line "patty cake, patty cake, I'm the baker's man", except he's singing about cooking and selling crack cocaine. This kind of stuff is not conducive to a healthy culture.

That's one of the systemic issues, because a major cause of the destruction of the black family was racist welfare policies that encouraged women to not have a father in the lives of their children

You are dead-on correct about that, except that if I spoke out against such policies in the 1960's or today, I would be called racist for doing so.

 

[BPPLEE]

What cultural differences would those be?

It's not a local phenomenon, but one that crosses careers in general. Do you think black people are just interested in low-wage jobs and not interested in economic advancement?

You seem to misunderstand the concept of institutional racism, because it's not about personal attitudes but entrenched self-perpetuating systemic problems. Wealth disparity, a lack of viable career paths that make criminality seem like the only pathway to "success", being stuck in the poverty cycle....

That's one of the systemic issues, because a major cause of the destruction of the black family was racist welfare policies that encouraged women to not have a father in the lives of their children

“That's one of the systemic issues, because a major cause of the destruction of the black family was racist welfare policies that encouraged women to not have a father in the lives of their children”
I agree with you on this

 

[Fantine]

I just learned--will post article later--how the right wing press, rife with monopolies and takeovers by Sinclair, I heart radio, Boggs (Christianconglomerate) control what people hear (along with X and Rogan.)

Liberals like me would never listen or read them, and we think the reputable Pulitzer winning journalists are what people see--but they don't.

I was kind of shocked but then realized so many poor, mixed-up people get junk food for the mind and think it's protein--through no fault of their own.
I know Colin Powell's son chaired the FCC for awhile--and I don't know if this descent into disinformation began with this.

From the New Republic:

Why Does No One Understand the Real Reason Trump Won?

It wasn’t the economy. It wasn’t inflation, or anything else. It was how people perceive those things, which points to one overpowering answer.

www.yahoo.com

 

[BPPLEE]

I just learned--will post article later--how the right wing press, rife with monopolies and takeovers by Sinclair, I heart radio, Boggs (Christianconglomerate) control what people hear (along with X and Rogan.)

Liberals like me would never listen or read them, and we think the reputable Pulitzer winning journalists are what people see--but they don't.

I was kind of shocked but then realized so many poor, mixed-up people get junk food for the mind and think it's protein--through no fault of their own.
I know Colin Powell's son chaired the FCC for awhile--and I don't know if this descent into disinformation began with him.

You think this is exclusively a right wing phenomenon?
The American Broadcasting Company (ABC) is an American English-language commercial broadcast television and radio network owned by The Walt Disney Company through its subsidiary, Disney Entertainment.

Which is wby the debate was rigged

 

[Chesterton]

Liberals like me would never listen or read them,...

Yes, echo chambers are so safe and comfy and reassuring. Being open-minded can have disastrous results.

and we think the reputable Pulitzer winning journalists are what people see--but they don't.

A reputable Pulitzer winning journalist? I'll bet it's been at least 50 years since anyone put those words together in a sentence.

 

[Fantine]

Yes, echo chambers are so safe and comfy and reassuring. Being open-minded can have disastrous results.

A reputable Pulitzer winning journalist? I'll bet it's been at least 50 years since anyone put those words together in a sentence.

Are you spouting the right-wing media word for word?
You look for primary source evidence, witnesses, video, corroboration.
People who listen to fake news have no idea that each one of the Victor's 93 indictments were backed by thousands of pages of evidence.
The criminal playing the victim of the DOJ--led by an overly cautious, some would say wimpy AG is perhaps worthy of a daytime Emmy.
Is there a category for best liar?

 

[BPPLEE]

Yes, echo chambers are so safe and comfy and reassuring. Being open-minded can have disastrous results.

A reputable Pulitzer winning journalist? I'll bet it's been at least 50 years since anyone put those words together in a sentence.

Didn't someone get a Pulitzer prize for reporting something on Trump that turned out to not be true ? Russian collusion I think

 

[BPPLEE]

Are you spouting the right-wing media word for word?
You look for primary source evidence, witnesses, video, corroboration.
People who listen to fake news have no idea that each one of the Victor's 93 indictments were backed by thousands of pages of evidence.
The criminal playing the victim of the DOJ--led by an overly cautious, some would say wimpy AG is perhaps worthy of a daytime Emmy.
Is there a category for best liar?

Will New York Times, Washington Post Return Pulitzer for Misleading Russia Collusion Stories?

In 2018, journalists from The New York Times and The Washington Post won a Pulitzer Prize in national reporting for their biased and inaccurate coverage of Russia’s alleged collaboration with the Trump campaign to interfere with the 2016 election, a claim we now know was a hoax. So when are they...

www.heritage.org

 

[Chesterton]

Are you spouting the right-wing media word for word?
You look for primary source evidence, witnesses, video, corroboration.
People who listen to fake news have no idea that each one of the Victor's 93 indictments were backed by thousands of pages of evidence.
The criminal playing the victim of the DOJ--led by an overly cautious, some would say wimpy AG is perhaps worthy of a daytime Emmy.
Is there a category for best liar?

Your reply rant to me reads like it was generated by some faulty AI, if Cenk Uygur programmed it. Maybe step away from the internet and take some deep breaths.

 

[Chesterton]

Didn't someone get a Pulitzer prize for reporting something on Trump that turned out to not be true ? Russian collusion I think

Yeah, and that's not the first time someone got a "journalism" Pulitzer for writing fiction.

 

[jacorian]

Your reply rant to me reads like it was generated by some faulty AI, if Cenk Uygur programmed it. Maybe step away from the internet and take some deep breaths.

It's understandable why people dislike Trump's character & I have no argument with that. However I consider myself a straight arrow. It is a huge disservice in how the judicial dept became weaponized. Their whole goal was to stop him from running for the office. The cases were weak & some were overturned & some will still be dropped. One still has to stand for a fair justice system. Relative to his personal lawsuits, we will never know the truth. The woman who won the big civil suit--where was the DNA evidence. She could not even recall the day it occurred. One has to wonder.

 

[BPPLEE]

It's understandable why people dislike Trump's character & I have no argument with that. However I consider myself a straight arrow. It is a huge disservice in how the judicial dept became weaponized. Their whole goal was to stop him from running for the office. The cases were weak & some were overturned & some will still be dropped. One still has to stand for a fair justice system. Relative to his personal lawsuits, we will never know the truth. The woman who won the big civil suit--where was the DNA evidence. She could not even recall the day it occurred. One has to wonder.

She could recall that she was wearing an outfit that hadn't been designed yet

 

[rjs330]

What cultural differences would those be?

I'll let black people tell you themselves.

John McWhorter, professor of English and comparative literature at Columbia University, lamented that "victimology, separatism, and anti-intellectualism underlie the general black community's response to all race-related issues," adding that "these three thought patterns impede black advancement much more than racism; and dysfunctional inner cities, corporate glass ceilings, and black educational underachievement will persist until such thinking disappears."

Racism is not what is holding back black race

For several decades, a few black scholars have been suggesting that the vision held by many black Americans is entirely wrong. Shelby Steele, a scholar at Stanford University's Hoover Institution,

www.reflector.com

Why? All through modern black American culture, even throughout black academia, the belief prevails that learning for learning’s sake is a white affair and therefore inherently disloyal to a proper black identity. Studying black-related issues is okay, because learning about oneself is authentic. But this impulse also implicitly classifies science as irrelevant, which is the direct cause of the underrepresentation of minorities in the hard sciences. The sense that the properly “black” person only delves into topics related to himself is also why you can count on one hand the number of books by black Americans that are not on racial topics.

The “acting white” charge—which implies that you think yourself different from, and better than, your peers—is the prime reason that blacks do poorly in school. The gifted black student quickly faces a choice between peer group acceptance and intellectual achievement.

These articles of faith add up to a deeply felt cult of victimology that grips the entire black community. Some subscribe to it fiercely; most accept it as a valid point of view, at least. The “serious brother” who launches into a tirade about the War on Blacks at a party sets heads nodding all over the room.

You’d think that a group committed to advancement would avoid such an obsessive focus on the negative, especially when the negative steadily fades from year to year. But blacks, inevitably, suffer from a classic post-colonial inferiority complex. Like insecure people everywhere, they are driven by a private sense of personal inadequacy to seeing imaginary obstacles to their success supposedly planted by others.

In the grip of this seductive ideology, blacks have made the immobilizing assumption that individual initiative can lead only to failure, with only a few exceptionally gifted or lucky exceptions.
Victimology, separatism, and anti-intellectualism underlie the general black community’s response to all race-related issues.

What’s Holding Blacks Back?

RDKirk also speak quite a bit about it. I happen to agree with them.

It's not a local phenomenon, but one that crosses careers in general. Do you think black people are just interested in low-wage jobs and not interested in economic advancement?

As noted above there are cultural issues at play.

You seem to misunderstand the concept of institutional racism, because it's not about personal attitudes but entrenched self-perpetuating systemic problems. Wealth disparity, a lack of viable career paths that make criminality seem like the only pathway to "success", being stuck in the poverty cycle....

Nonsense. There isn't a single reason a black person cannot pursue a good career. There is nothing preventing them from anything from construction to being a doctor. Personal attitudes has a great deal with what you pursue. It's a psychological fact if you are raised with the negative attitude that you can't succeed, it takes a very strong person to overcome that. And if every leader you know tells you the odds are against you you gain the victim mentality as noted above.

That's one of the systemic issues, because a major cause of the destruction of the black family was racist welfare policies that encouraged women to not have a father in the lives of their children

It may have been an issue to start with, but once again it doesn't have to stay that way. It's ingrained in the culture now for men to foster many babies with different women.

Nick Pilgrim wrote a book on all this. I agree with him.

Each year, African Americans perform worse academically than every other cultural group in the United States. And, each year, African American men and women commit more violent crimes on a per capita basis than everyone else. Why does this troubling “race problem” persist more than a half-century after the victories of the Civil Rights era?

According to prominent liberal voices in the media and academia, "white supremacy" is responsible for group differences in performance and achievement. But in this explosive book, former federal prosecutor Nick Pilgrim proves that, ever since the Civil Rights revolution transformed our nation, culture—not racism—has been the most influential force shaping the destiny of black people in the United States.

As Pilgrim persuasively demonstrates, the most significant problems afflicting the black community today, such as mass incarceration and mass illegitimacy (which sees 3 out of 4 black children born to unmarried mothers each year), are not caused by white supremacy. Instead, they are the inevitable outcome of poor lifestyle choices. But because it is easier to scapegoat others than to face hard truths, many black leaders and “race scholars” have turned a blind eye to this fact.

Black Culture Matters calls out these failed leaders and makes clear that to achieve parity with other groups African Americans will have to finally confront cultural shortcomings that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X acknowledged over 60 years ago.