National Go Topless Day

[Archivist]

I won't argue minutiae.

You were the one who claimed that a double standard was acceptable when it comes to dress, yet when it is pointed out that at one time there was no such double standard when it cames to going topless it becomes minutiae and you won't argue it. In other words, you have no answer so you will write it off as minutiae.

Do you know the difference between moral and immoral?

Yes, and there is nothing immoral about either sex going topless in appropriate places.

The difference between modest and immodest?

Yes, and there is nothing immodest about either sex going topless in appropriate places.

Would you go to church or meet the president topless or
in a g-string, or have your young daughter do either?

No, of course not. That isn't what we are discussing in this thread. Men have been able to go topless since after WWI, bit I've never seen a topless man attending a church service. I've never seen a topless man standing in line to take the tour of the White House. I've never seen one of my male coworkers wandering the halls topless at the college where I teach. Why would we expect that women would suddenly start going topless in those places?

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

This says nothing about anyone going topless.

Colossians 3:17
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

This says nothing about anyone going topless.

If you cannot do something in the name of Jesus, and to glorify God, then it shouldn't be done at all. That includes how you dress and act in public.

So a topless man on a beach or in a park or working in his yard is glorifying God, but a topless woman is not? Right.

 

[Archivist]

Minutiae, even if true. "The church" has a lot of evil to answer for.

In other words, if you disagree with something it is automatically evil.

 

[Archivist]

Oh, and congratulations all--we got this thread to 100 pages!!!

 

[Sammy-San]

You were the one who claimed that a double standard was acceptable when it comes to dress, yet when it is pointed out that at one time there was no such double standard when it cames to going topless it becomes minutiae and you won't argue it. In other words, you have no answer so you will write it off as minutiae.



Yes, and there is nothing immoral about either sex going topless in appropriate places.



Yes, and there is nothing immodest about either sex going topless in appropriate places.



No, of course not. That isn't what we are discussing in this thread. Men have been able to go topless since after WWI, bit I've never seen a topless man attending a church service. I've never seen a topless man standing in line to take the tour of the White House. I've never seen one of my male coworkers wandering the halls topless at the college where I teach. Why would we expect that women would suddenly start going topless in those places?



This says nothing about anyone going topless.



This says nothing about anyone going topless.



So a topless man on a beach or in a park or working in his yard is glorifying God, but a topless woman is not? Right.

Thoughts: Biblical Sexuality

However, part of why inappropriate contentography is such a serious problem for men and boys is that most (if not all) find the female form and genitalia beautiful, desirable, and arousing in all aspects. But unlike men, most women (not all; but most) have no innate attraction or desire for the male form and genitalia in and of themselves; finding them gross or, at best, uninteresting and irrelevant.

Most men and women simply do not view physicality and sexuality in the same way, nor to the same extent(s). The primary source of male sexuality stems from their inherent visual sensitivity and allure to the innate aesthetic appeal of the female form. The primary source of female sexuality stems from their mind and emotions, which can, and often does, fluctuate throughout their lives.

 

[Archivist]

Thoughts: Biblical Sexuality

But Sam, you already posted an article saying that it wasn't an issue for women to go topless, so we know where you stand on that issue.

As to the references to genitalia in this article, we aren't talking about anyone going naked in this thread.

 

[Sammy-San]

• Edited post.

 

[Archivist]

Thoughts: Biblical Sexuality

But Sam, unless I'm missing something this has nothing to do with women going topless in public (which is not inappropriate contentography). And of course, you have already posted an article that you said you agreed with that said that it was not an issue for women to go topless.

Please stay on topic.

 

[Sammy-San]

Post edited.

 

[Darkhorse]

Sam, your article hit it right again, at least in part (a very small part):

"Did you know that on a nude beach that if a man is visibly aroused (has an erection) that guards immediately escort him off the property? This proves that men can control their lusts. A man must CHOOSE to think about a woman in order to be aroused. It cannot happen without one's own mental consent. In other words, you CAN live right, even on a nude beach."

(substituting "resort" for "beach" would make this quote totally correct)

So, what's so difficult about men "controlling their lust" around topless women?

I do it all the time, around women who are dressed, topless, or nude. Man up, guys!

 

[Tetra]

I won't argue minutiae.
Do you know the difference between moral and immoral?

The difference between modest and immodest?

Would you go to church or meet the president topless or
in a g-string, or have your young daughter do either?

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Colossians 3:17
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

If you cannot do something in the name of Jesus, and to
glorify God, then it shouldn't be done at all. That includes
how you dress and act in public.

This is simply conjecture...

 

[Sammy-San]

Yes, we are. Live inappropriate contentography.

Modesty: I Don’t Think it Means What You Think it Means | Q Ideas

.you think a man will lust after a woman in a burqa the same as he would lust after a woman in a bikini or a cleavage baring mini dress.
Once you head in that direction it really is the natural progression because you never know what might trigger a man's lust. Men treasure beauty. A man might lust after a beautiful women wearing Duggar approved church dress over a homelier women wearing a bikini.

 

[Archivist]

Modesty: I Don’t Think it Means What You Think it Means | Q Ideas

Sam, you have once again posted a link to an article that supports women having the option of going topless in public: "In many cultures, a one-piece bathing suit would be considered scandalous; in others, bikinis—or even topless bathing— are the norm. What is considered modest or appropriate changes depending on culture and context. It also changes from woman to woman, depending on body type, personality, personal convictions and season in life. While we may long for a universal dress code that would make all of this simpler, we aren’t given one."

Perhaps instead of simply posting links you should take time to reply to the questions you have been asked.

 

[Sammy-San]

Sam, you have once again posted a link to an article that supports women having the option of going topless in public: "In many cultures, a one-piece bathing suit would be considered scandalous; in others, bikinis—or even topless bathing— are the norm. What is considered modest or appropriate changes depending on culture and context. It also changes from woman to woman, depending on body type, personality, personal convictions and season in life. While we may long for a universal dress code that would make all of this simpler, we aren’t given one."

Perhaps instead of simply posting links you should take time to reply to the questions you have been asked.

you said breasts aren't sexual. aren't they sexual because they are a part of femaleness and have the reproductive function of feeding young?

Is foreplay wrong if it doesn't lead to sex?

Sex" is defined to be those actions that generally lead to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], and for males the release of sperm.

 

[Archivist]

you said breasts aren't sexual. aren't they sexual because they are a part of femaleness and have the reproductive function of feeding young?

Is foreplay wrong if it doesn't lead to sex?

What does feeding the young have to do with sex?

And if you don't think that women should go topless because breasts are sexual, then why are you posting articles saying that it is acceptable for women to go topless?

 

[Sammy-San]

post edit.

 

[Archivist]

They are sexual because they are part of femaleness?

Then why are you posting articles saying that woman should be able to go topless?

Oh, and isn't a male chest part of maleness?

 

[Sammy-San]

deleted post irrelevant.

 

[Sammy-San]

What does feeding the young have to do with sex?

And if you don't think that women should go topless because breasts are sexual, then why are you posting articles saying that it is acceptable for women to go topless?

its a highly sensitive region.

 

[dayhiker]

Personally I think women's breasts are sexual, just as I think hips, bottoms along with hair and face are sexual .. at least to me.
God created us sexual beings and I don't see any reason for us to be ashamed of the way God created us.

 

[Sammy-San]

Personally I think women's breasts are sexual, just as I think hips, bottoms along with hair and face are sexual .. at least to me.
God created us sexual beings and I don't see any reason for us to be ashamed of the way God created us.

Why are breasts considered sexuality-because of their reproductive function in feeding young?