Nancy Pelosi dreams of Trump resigning, demands he PROVE his innocence

[Hank77]

Just because he was on the payroll of Russia and Turkey doesn’t mean he can’t be the National Security Adviser, he is a loyal Republican.

Why did he plead guilty if he wasn't guilty?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Why did he plead guilty if he wasn't guilty?

Obviously he was tricked.

 

[cow451]

From the "Topsy-turvy Lady Justice", files: In Trump-Nixon impeachment comparison, Pelosi raises specter of resignation

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is amplifying her unfavorable comparison of President Donald Trump to fellow Republican Richard Nixon, saying that disgraced president at least cared enough about the country to leave office before his impeachment.
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The president has “every opportunity to present his case,” Pelosi told CBS, including coming before the intelligence panel.

“If the president has information that demonstrates his innocence in all of this, which we haven’t seen,” she said. “If he has information that is exculpatory - that means ex, taking away, culpable, blame - then we look forward to seeing it.”
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... and yet Pelosi dismisses GOP attempts at getting exculpatory information from the hearings into the public record.

I dream the President does landscaping while in Federal prison.

 

[cow451]

Why did he plead guilty if he wasn't guilty?

Because he was guilty. If he changes his mind he would be committing perjury.

 

[DaisyDay]

You don't look for the crime first.

You have to determine if there was a crime and, if so, what it is.

If that is the charge why did Pelosi say they don't have any yet? Yep, that's hilarious.

There isn't any charge yet - the inquiry is still ongoing, lols.

Did you clue her in?

Oh, what a clever insult, Hannah!

At least Nixon's inquiry wasn't vague, and had a bit more meat on the bone. They found the crime that lead to the inquiry.

The break-in? And is that what he was going to be charged with? I don't think so.

What facts? So far we don't have any.

If that's you think, then you haven't been paying attention.

Everyone knew about the break in, and they wanted to see what was behind it. The break in was illegal. The people they caught were part of the administration. That was your smoking gun. That is what triggered the inquiry. We don't have that here.

Um, no, the burglars were not part of the administration. Do you know what CREEP was?

As you already know, the whistleblower complaint - deemed both urgent and credible by the IG - and the summary of the "perfect" phone call were evidence of the wrongdoing.

What evidence? In your rant you mentioned nothing, but felt it was hilarious to mock.

My rant? Check your own. Is it hilarious to mock, so much so you feel the need to announce it in case notices how cool you are trying to be? I thought you were already aware of the whistleblower complaint and the "transcript" so I didn't think I needed to mention them again, but evidently I was mistaken about that.

You do know that the inquiry is suppose to surface those things after the alleged wrongdoing is presented.

You do know the inquiry is ongoing, right?

Normally, your suppose to mention specifics about alleged 'abuse of power' without the lololol. You sure you know what cognitive dissonance means? YOu might want to look up the definition.

That should be "you're" not "your", normally. The lololol was echoing your own. Yes, I know what it means - it would account for the confusion some Trumpers say they feel when confronted with evidence of Donald's misdeeds.

 

[jgarden]

U.S. Code § 30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
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Nancy Pelosi dreams of Trump resigning, demands he PROVE his innocence

This President's request that the leader of the Ukraine investigate the Bidens is asking a foreign nation to provide "something of value" for the 2020 Election!

Foreign powers are forbidden by law from making contributions to American political campaigns and the summary released by the White House of the July phone call extablishes that's exactly what this President was soliciting!

 

[NightHawkeye]

Nancy Pelosi dreams of Trump resigning, demands he PROVE his innocence

52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

This President's request that the leader of the Ukraine investigate the Bidens is asking a foreign nation to provide "something of value" for the 2020 Election!

Foreign powers are forbidden by law from making contributions to American political campaigns and the summary released by the White House of the July phone call extablishes that's exactly what this President was soliciting!

Meh, we've been over this before. Not everything of value corresponds to being a campaign contribution ... or a threat.

Do you perhaps remember the letter Democrat senators wrote?
Trump said Democratic senators threatened Ukraine. That’s misleading

Defending his discussions with the president of Ukraine, President Donald Trump said at a Sept. 25 press conference that it was Democrats who at least twice threatened to withhold aid for the eastern European country.

Sen. Chris Murphy. D-Conn., "literally threatened the president of Ukraine that, if he doesn’t do things right, they won’t have Democrat support in Congress," Trump said.

Trump also suggested a letter written by Sens. Robert Menendez, Dick Durbin and Patrick Leahy to Ukraine’s prosecutor general was threatening.
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PolitiFact's conclusion was this curiously ironic statement:

The senators are not stating any threats to cut off aid but instead want Ukraine to cooperate with the Mueller probe.
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... in other words, to investigate the opposing party's presidential candidate - the very thing Trump is now accused by Democrats of doing.

 

[jgarden]

§30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

(b) "Foreign national" defined
As used in this section, the term "foreign national" means-

(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term "foreign national" shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or

(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.
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This President solicited "a contribution, or donation" from of a foreign national (leader of Ukraine) in the form of an investigation of the Bidens that was intended be used against his chief Democratic opponent in the 2929 Presidential Election!

Previous threats to curtail aid to the Ukraine by the Democrats was not linked to providing "dirt" on a political opponent in an American election!

 

[NightHawkeye]

§30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

(b) "Foreign national" defined
As used in this section, the term "foreign national" means-

(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term "foreign national" shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or

(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.
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This President solicited "a contribution, or donation" in the form of a foreign national in the form of an investigation of the Bidens that was could be used to the detriment of his chief Democratic opponent!

Previous threats to curtail aid to the Ukraine by the Democrats was not linked to providing "dirt" on a political opponent in an American election!

Let me know when the Democrat senators who wrote the Ukraine letter are brought up on FEC violations.

 

[jgarden]

§30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

(b) "Foreign national" defined
As used in this section, the term "foreign national" means-

(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term "foreign national" shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or

(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.
*************************************
This President solicited "a contribution, or donation" from of a foreign national (leader of Ukraine) in the form of an investigation of the Bidens that was intended be used against his chief Democratic opponent in the 2020 Presidential Election!

Previous threats to curtail aid to the Ukraine by the Democrats was not linked to the illegal act of providing "dirt" on a political opponent in an American election!

Even without the threat to withhold the $400 million in congressionally approved funds to the Ukraine, this President is still guilty of soliciting a contribution (something of value) from a foreign national for the sole purpose of benefitting his re-election campaign!

 

[NightHawkeye]

§30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

(b) "Foreign national" defined
As used in this section, the term "foreign national" means-

(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term "foreign national" shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or

(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.
*************************************
This President solicited "a contribution, or donation" from of a foreign national (leader of Ukraine) in the form of an investigation of the Bidens that was intended be used against his chief Democratic opponent in the 2020 Presidential Election!

Previous threats to curtail aid to the Ukraine by the Democrats was not linked to the illegal act of providing "dirt" on a political opponent in an American election!

Even without the threat to withhold the $400 million in congressionally approved funds to the Ukraine, this President is still guilty of soliciting a contribution (something of value) from a foreign national for the sole purpose of benefitting his re-election campaign!

Again, let me know when others are held to the same standard you are attempting to hold Trump to.

The law is such that an actual crime is necessary ... and precedent is important in establishing what sort of crimes can be prosecuted and the severity of punishment.

It's also worth noting that the president has not yet had his day in court. Current proceedings are one-sided. The president has a right to rebut and make his case to the American people ... assuming Democrats ever actually commit to filing any actual charges against him.

 

[wing2000]

... and yet Pelosi dismisses GOP attempts at getting exculpatory information from the hearings into the public record.

Such as?

 

[jgarden]

Again, let me know when others are held to the same standard you are attempting to hold Trump to.

The law is such that an actual crime is necessary ... and precedent is important in establishing what sort of crimes can be prosecuted and the severity of punishment.

It's also worth noting that the president has not yet had his day in court. Current proceedings are one-sided. The president has a right to rebut and make his case to the American people ... assuming Democrats ever actually commit to filing any actual charges against him.

1. No Democrat asked a foreign leader for "dirt" on a political opponent to be used in an American election - a direct violation of US law!

2. The Ukrainians didn't have to conduct the investigation to make this President guilty of soliciting a foreign contribution/donation in the form of political "dirt!"

3. The Democrats are conducting the committees employing the same rules that the Republicans used in the Benghazi Investigation - I don't recall GOP politicians denouncing the rules as being unfair when they were in the majority!

4. Its difficult to take Republican complaints about "one-sided" proceedings seriously given that this President is preventing the House committees from interviewing witnesses and examining documents despite being subpoenaed!

5. One can only assume that if this President and the congressional Republicans had witnesses/documents that were favourable to their cause, they would make them readily available!

 

[KCfromNC]

General Michael Flynn and his lawyers disagree.

Yes, but given how unreliable they have proven to be I can't see why anyone would believe them now.

 

[KCfromNC]

... he was on the payroll of Russia and Turkey ... he is a loyal Republican.

A poster appears to be repeating themselves.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Yes, but given how unreliable they have proven to be I can't see why anyone would believe them now.

If one incorrect statement is your standard, are you now rejecting the entirety of Schiff's ongoing hearings?

Jus' curious ...

 

[KCfromNC]

If one incorrect statement is your standard

I'm not sure where such an ill-informed preposition would come from.