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I just had some toasted banana bread with pecans. It was warm, and the nuts were already shelled when I got them, fortunately. Yes, it would be interesting for such to appear in an instant. Perhaps the miracle of Cana equates to this, but it was still something (water) prior to it becoming wine. Your scenario, while interesting, is not a common one, even in the bible. Oil continuing to pour from an oil jar in Elisha's time is similar, but not quite the same--almost as if God hid some of the mechanism of creating oil in the jar. Jesus multiplied the bread and fishes, but He still started with bread and fishes. I'm not saying He can't do it, but your hypothetical isn't really like anything in the bible I can think of.
No, it doesn't unless you change the definition of deceptive.
In those instances we are using the generally accepted definition:
"giving an appearance or impression different from the true one; misleading."
How does that work when God's own Creation tells a completely different story? One that is billions of years in the making.Not when the Creator wrote a book telling people when it was made and how long it took. It’s not His fault that some people just refuse to believe it. God can’t perform miracles then tell people about it? That’s deception?
You don't consider it deceptive that there was no baking required? No raising of the dough? No milling of flour, no growing the wheat to mill? No drying of grapes?
I have a bridge you may be interested in buying....
How does that work when God's own Creation tells a completely different story? One that is billions of years in the making.
Unlike Nature, the Bible was not pinned by God, it was pinned by man.
How does that work when God's own Creation tells a completely different story? One that is billions of years in the making.
Unlike Nature, the Bible was not pinned by God, it was pinned by man.
Sad, isn't it?Yes then God wrote a book telling everyone He made the raisin bread from nothing 6 minutes ago and it took 6 seconds to make it and people call Him a liar because the grapes should’ve taken years to grow and the grain to make the bread should’ve taken months to grow so because of this they say He’s trying to deceive people by making the ingredients appear to be older than they actually are even tho He told them the truth from the very beginning, they just didn’t believe Him.
Only on paper.How does that work when God's own Creation tells a completely different story? One that is billions of years in the making.
I think you mean "penned."dlamberth said:Unlike Nature, the Bible was not pinned by God, it was pinned by man.
So are you saying that it's Creation (or the loaf of bread) that's deceptive?Its still irrelevant especially according to the challenge in the OP. Regardless of how old it appears to be the raisin bread was still created instantly. That’s a fact in the OP and because God told us it was created instantly doesn’t make it deceptive at all.
Absolutely deceptive and dishonest to boot!G
Like my Apple Challenge, which shows an act of creatio ex materia leaves no evidence behind; this challenge shows how an act of creation with embedded age (maturity without history) can't be considered deceptive.
Would you see fraud in a loaf of warm raisin bread created instantly to feed the poor?Absolutely deceptive and dishonest to boot!
Creating something that appears to be one thing, age in this case, yet is actually something else is called fraud. I don't believe for a second that God has the ability to scam us in any manor. That's because God can only deal in Truth.
Perhaps you didn't read the OP. The opening sentence is a bit of a give away:I don't assume it was poofed into existence. I leave open the unlikely possibilty that it was poofed into existence. I dunno who made it.
I think you're overthinking this.
God creates a loaf of nice warm raisin bread in an instant
You don't understand your own challenge.Or, as I call it:
Trying hard not to understand and succeeding.
Take that sentence and compare to the definition of deception I gave. Then tell us if there is a match.That APPEARS TO BE billions of years in the making you mean.
Did you just refer to me as a YEC?Take that sentence and compare to the definition of deception I gave. Then tell us if there is a match.
The level of English comprehension among YECs is worrying.
"Thanks for the QED" - AV1611VETDid you just refer to me as a YEC?
If so, what was that you're saying about comprehension?
And? Just because creation came from nothing doesn't mean nuts were already shelled and in banana bread.
Take that sentence and compare to the definition of deception I gave. Then tell us if there is a match.
The level of English comprehension among YECs is worrying.
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