My Raisin Bread Challenge

[JustMeSee]

It wasn't -- this is a hypothetical.
BC 4004

Then I will take the age of the bread on faith.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then I will take the age of the bread on faith.

Which loaf?

 

[Split Rock]

No.

The raisins are grapes -- old ones, in fact.

While they may have signs, the signs are trumped by their method of creation (ex nihilo).

More semantic games? I will try to rephrase... Can we agree that there should be no signs that the raisins were ever anything but raisins? If the answer is no, then I can only conclude that you either:
1. Don't understand what "history" means.
2. Are trying to have your cake and eat it too.
(most likely number 2)

 

[AV1611VET]

Can we agree that there should be no signs that the raisins were ever anything but raisins?

No, Split Rock, they were roller skates at one time -- turned into raisins.

(I musta left that part out.)

 

[Split Rock]

No, Split Rock, they were roller skates at one time -- turned into raisins.

(I musta left that part out.)

Should I take that as a YES????????????????

 

[Tiberius]

No.

The raisins are grapes -- old ones, in fact.

While they may have signs, the signs are trumped by their method of creation (ex nihilo).

Do they have any signs of having existed as nice juicy plump grapes sitting on a vine?

 

[razeontherock]

When was the last time raisin bread was created ex nihilo?
When was the last time anything was created ex nihilo?

Last Thursday?

 

[razeontherock]

Do they have any signs of having existed as nice juicy plump grapes sitting on a vine?

Just like any other grape, but I don't think they send the nice plump ones to the raisin factory

 

[JustMeSee]

Last Thursday?

That would make things easier. Everything has embedded age then.

 

[AV1611VET]

Do they have any signs of having existed as nice juicy plump grapes sitting on a vine?

They are raisins ... is that what you see, when you see raisin bread?

 

[Jazer]

It wasn't -- this is a hypothetical.
BC 4004

So the loaf is 6,000 years old. Then how old are the raisins? R these california raisins or some other kind? So is the age of the raisin different then the age of the flour for the bread, or were they grown at the same time, ie the same season?

 

[verysincere]

Considering that the Bible says nothing about God creating the universe with "embedded age" or "appearance of age", this hypothetical exercise is little different than asking, "What if angels propel the planets through the heavens and demons torment sinners in hell? How many angels would it take to move Jupiter and do the worst sinners get multiple demons assigned to them?"

.

 

[AV1611VET]

Considering that the Bible says nothing about God creating the universe with "embedded age" or "appearance of age",

You mean like this?

2 Peter 3:5a For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old,

Note also Adam Clarke's comment on Genesis 2:5 ...

It appears that God created every thing, not only perfect as it respects its nature, but also in a state of maturity, so that every vegetable production appeared at once in full growth; and this was necessary that man, when he came into being, might find every thing ready for his use.

 

[Tiberius]

They are raisins ... is that what you see, when you see raisin bread?

Answer the question, AV. Yes or no.

(I know that you instinctively run and hide behind evasiveness, but that's not very nice of you, is it?)

 

[AV1611VET]

Answer the question, AV. Yes or no.

I'll pass.

I shouldn't have to go through an inquisition to have my questions answered.

If you don't know what raisin bread is, that's your problem.

 

[pgp_protector]

I'll pass.

I shouldn't have to go through an inquisition to have my questions answered.

If you don't know what raisin bread is, that's your problem.

Awww, It's back to Answer My Questions, but I'm not going to answer yours.

 

[Tiberius]

I'll pass.

I shouldn't have to go through an inquisition to have my questions answered.

If you don't know what raisin bread is, that's your problem.

Ah, the age-old cry of those who have no answers.

It's things like this that make me think you're a poe. It's really the only thing that explains it. WHat you are doing is doing more for atheism than anything else I can think of.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ah, the age-old cry of those who have no answers.

It's things like this that make me think you're a poe. It's really the only thing that explains it. WHat you are doing is doing more for atheism than anything else I can think of.

And, of course, your refusal to answer questions stems from scientific discipline, right?

I'll make a deal with you: you don't consider me a poe, and I won't consider you scientifically disciplined -- how's that?

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

And, of course, your refusal to answer questions stems from scientific discipline, right?

I'll make a deal with you: you don't consider me a poe, and I won't consider you scientifically disciplined -- how's that?

Mate, just answer their questions. God will be pretty mad at the pearly gates if his beloved Tiberius was so close to working through the eternal logic of the divine but you shut him off.

And I'm not being facetious here, unless you honestly believe heaven is a place made only for you.

 

[Jazer]

Awww, It's back to Answer My Questions, but I'm not going to answer yours.

Reminds me of a cat that likes to play with a mouse.