My questions-

[TheDreadedAtheist]

haha i found that funny... like your correcting my typos.

Thats how i type on the interweb. Its my "style" love it or hate it. Havent had any complaints so i that this as "getting me back". If you are actually serious, which your last post brings me to believe you arent, check out some of the apologetics threads. Since i rather not be annoyed with this, i will just leave it at that...

Way to not respond to the post you quoted at all!

 

[Someguyouknow]

did you read the last sentence?

 

[TheDreadedAtheist]

Yeah, and I don't see how that changes what I said. Thanks for checking though.

 

[Boltwave]

I'm sincerely voting that this thread get closed, despite I'm a non-Christian/seeker and all.

I have but a few words to say if I could, first of all, this is typical conversations with athiests no doubt, if you can't answer their questions they will rip you a new one like a wrotweiler that just got nuetered. (I don't care about the spelling of the word as you know exactly what I'm saying.)

Furthermore, this is just outright flaming, I agree with everyone here who says that these guys didn't just come to ask questions, it's almost as if they came to insult.

The reasons I will never be an atheist is because the common athiest is arrogant and condescending, he looks at the Christians as "stupid and zealous" and has a persistent joy to go looking for other athiestic material to feed new thoughts, just as the everfamous: "If God exists, and is all knowing and omnipresent, he should be able to stop evil, but in reality evil exists so God does not." Here's a simple newsflash if you really want your question answered, rather, this is an interesting question I think YOU two should answer yourselves, ready?

"If you do not believe God exists, and you, by defintion, being an atheist, do not live by or abide by any written moral codes or standards, except by those set by yourselves, then how does one, such as yourself, go about determining 'evil?'"

In other words if you believe evil exists, you are not an atheist, because then you believe in absolutes, (i.e. "cosmic universal forces that battle each other" and you accept the traditional concept of good and evil by looking at what founded those traditions not knowing it: some of it, even from the bible) and, if evil exists as an absolute, this means it does not come from an evolutionary naturalistic way of the human psyche, but it does, in fact, come externally, therefore, by defintion you would be contradicting yourself.

Still doesn't make sense? Consider that an atheist believes to be a "free thinker" and they do things according to their agenda, if that is the case, you believe in an entirely naturalistic world that is bound by natural laws, but to judge what is good and evil, is not simply a natural law, if it was, you would then be looking at the animals that kill each other for food by calling them "cold-blooded murderers" (after all, Darwin did say we were all related right?) Which brings up my next point, the "communion ritual" to you, that may be cannabalism, but, if we were to look at evolutionary abstract terms, every time you eat a cow or a chicken, you're committing cannibalism, it's just that simple.

Glad to have been some service, that I may have provided an equally refutable way to look into the glass.

 

[Godsgurl08]

I'm sincerely voting that this thread get closed, despite I'm a non-Christian/seeker and all.


Furthermore, this is just outright flaming, I agree with everyone here who says that these guys didn't just come to ask questions, it's almost as if they came to insult.

The reasons I will never be an atheist is because the common athiest is arrogant and condescending, he looks at the Christians as "stupid and zealous" and has a persistent joy to go looking for other athiestic material to feed new thoughts, just as the everfamous: "If God exists, and is all knowing and omnipresent, he should be able to stop evil, but in reality evil exists so God does not." Here's a simple newsflash if you really want your question answered, rather, this is an interesting question I think YOU two should answer yourselves, ready?

"If you do not believe God exists, and you, by defintion, being an atheist, do not live by or abide by any written moral codes or standards, except by those set by yourselves, then how does one, such as yourself, go about determining 'evil?'"

In other words if you believe evil exists, you are not an atheist, because then you believe in absolutes, (and you accept the traditional concept of good and evil by looking at what founded those traditions not knowing it: some of it, even from the bible.) and, if evil exists as an absolute, this means it does not come from an evolutionary naturalistic way of the human psyche, but it does, in fact, come externally, therefore, by defintion you would contradict yourself.

Still doesn't make sense? Consider that an atheist believes to be a "free thinker" and they do things according to their agenda, if that is the case, you believe in an entirely naturalistic world that is bound by natural laws, but to judge what is good and evil, is not simply a natural law, if it was, you would then be looking at the animals that kill each other for food by calling them "cold-blooded murderers" (after all, Darwin did say we were all related right?) Which brings up my next point, the "communion ritual" to you, that may be cannabalism, but, if we were to look at evolutionary abstract terms, every time you eat a cow or a chicken, you're committing cannibalism, it's just that simple.

Glad to have been some service.

i agree boltwave

 

[Godsgurl08]

Someguyyouknow - I really hope English is not your primary language, because you are slaughtering it.

godsgirl### - You think the earth is 6000 years old? ROFL

ebia - No comment

I believe that the earth is around 6000 years old. Do you believe that the dinosaurs lived millions and millions of years before we did? and that the earth is a billion, or whatever how old they say it is? do u actually believe that radioactive dating device they use? Do you know that water messes up things over a period of time and changes how old the fossil/thing actually really is? By the way...what is ROFL?

 

[TheDreadedAtheist]

I'm sincerely voting that this thread get closed, despite I'm a non-Christian/seeker and all.

I have but a few words to say if I could, first of all, this is typical conversations with athiests no doubt, if you can't answer their questions they will rip you a new one like a wrotweiler that just got nuetered. (I don't care about the spelling of the word as you know exactly what I'm saying.)

Furthermore, this is just outright flaming, I agree with everyone here who says that these guys didn't just come to ask questions, it's almost as if they came to insult.

The reasons I will never be an atheist is because the common athiest is arrogant and condescending, he looks at the Christians as "stupid and zealous" and has a persistent joy to go looking for other athiestic material to feed new thoughts, just as the everfamous: "If God exists, and is all knowing and omnipresent, he should be able to stop evil, but in reality evil exists so God does not." Here's a simple newsflash if you really want your question answered, rather, this is an interesting question I think YOU two should answer yourselves, ready?

"If you do not believe God exists, and you, by defintion, being an atheist, do not live by or abide by any written moral codes or standards, except by those set by yourselves, then how does one, such as yourself, go about determining 'evil?'"

In other words if you believe evil exists, you are not an atheist, because then you believe in absolutes, (i.e. "cosmic universal forces that battle each other" and you accept the traditional concept of good and evil by looking at what founded those traditions not knowing it: some of it, even from the bible) and, if evil exists as an absolute, this means it does not come from an evolutionary naturalistic way of the human psyche, but it does, in fact, come externally, therefore, by defintion you would be contradicting yourself.

Still doesn't make sense? Consider that an atheist believes to be a "free thinker" and they do things according to their agenda, if that is the case, you believe in an entirely naturalistic world that is bound by natural laws, but to judge what is good and evil, is not simply a natural law, if it was, you would then be looking at the animals that kill each other for food by calling them "cold-blooded murderers" (after all, Darwin did say we were all related right?) Which brings up my next point, the "communion ritual" to you, that may be cannabalism, but, if we were to look at evolutionary abstract terms, every time you eat a cow or a chicken, you're committing cannibalism, it's just that simple.

Glad to have been some service, that I may have provided an equally refutable way to look into the glass.

I find it interesting that you request that this be closed, yet you perpetuate the conversation. I also find it interesting that you say that I am insulting people, yet you do the same.

I do not define evil. Evil cannot be defined. I do define harmful however.

I like how you call me a cannibal also. As a believer in evolution, I also support taxonomy.
Here is the definition of cannibalism, as you obviously do not know it-

predation of an animal by a member of its own species

And since I am not a member of the species of anything that I eat, I am not cannibalistic. Even if you were right about me being a cannibal on those grounds, would it matter? The tangible aspect of the situation would not be changed.

Good day sir.

 

[TheDreadedAtheist]

I believe that the earth is around 6000 years old. Do you believe that the dinosaurs lived millions and millions of years before we did? and that the earth is a billion, or whatever how old they say it is? do u actually believe that radioactive dating device they use? Do you know that water messes up things over a period of time and changes how old the fossil/thing actually really is? By the way...what is ROFL?

I will not get into this, but I will tell you what ROFL means. It is an acronym for "Rolling On the Floor Laughing",

Godsgurl- I Just realised that I didnt respond to your post, I'll get right on that.

 

[Godsgurl08]

just to let you know, it has been scientifically proven that there was a flood, and this world would've never had fossil fuels such as petroleum and such if the world hadn't turned upside down when God brought the flood during Noah's time.

 

[Godsgurl08]

proof of what? any scientist would know (if they knew how to date things so precisely...sarcasm) that there were no fossil fuels on this earth in the beginning, there had to be something to make the world turn upside down.

 

[TheDreadedAtheist]

You should believe in God, because he created this world and you, so give glory, honor and respect to the One who created you.

I do not yet believe in him, so that seems irrational to me.

I oppose evolution, the anatomy and physiology of different species are distinct, even though they are related closely to each other. Who believes that we all came from a euglena?

Then you must also oppose every respectable biologist in the world, and if that is the case, there is no reason for me to argue with you, for you will simply dispute all that I say, based on unbacked arguements.

The Big Bang theory is nonsense. Did you know that if the earth was moved a millimeter closer or away from teh sun, we would die either from freezing or frying? Also if the earth's gravitational field was moved from 6.67 * 10^17 and higher, or lower that means that we would all die. So how could the big bang just come out of no where and put the earth in a specific place with water, grass, trees, animals, bacteria and other species? The human body is very complex. How can we emerge from one cell...a euglena (to be more specific) and then gradually over billions and billions of years become reptiles and then dinosaurs. Did you know that dinosaurs lived during the time when Noah was alive? That's how they all died in the flood, it even mentions it in the Bible how God loved his creatures. Its funny how someone can make up foolish ideas. Ok, the substances that they say that were here on earth to make life, was nitrogen and some other type of gas that I can't remember from the top of my head. Anyways if you take them and put them into a glass and make lightining with electrical discharges, you would see that amino acids' proteins would appear.

I feel that this is a bad place for me to try to explain this. I will accept any invitation to a formal debate however. You seem to be misunderstanding scientific principles that are key to the rational behind these ideas, but that misunderstanding is understandable, as they are not exactly easy subjects.

God is omnipresent, and omniscient. God does not bring disasters on His people, Satan does. Satan was kicked out of heaven because he was jealous of Jesus. When he was kicked out onto Earth, he tempted Eve to eat the fruit and when he did that Eve gave some to Adam and that is when sin began. Sin brings pressure, hardships and pain. God did not create sin, the devil did. God does have the ability to stop the disasters, but He won't for a reason. That reason is, when God kicked Satan out of heaven, the angels felt as if God was not a nice God. So God decided to send His son to die for us on the cross to save us from our sins. When the angels saw that God did this, they kind of felt that he was losing the battle to Satan, because most people betrayed Him. If God were to come right now and not give a chance to people to give their life to Him, the angels would know for sure that God is unjust and not nice. So God is waiting for everyone to have a chance to turn to Him. He will judge every single person on this earth. (If the person is a baby, He will judge the mother, because she is accountable for the baby). As soon as every ear has heard about God, then he will come and take back his people who gave their life to him, obeyed him, and loved him. Adam and Eve sinned and God took back the Garden of Eden and cast them out of it. The reason why he did that was because Eve and Adam ate from the tree of knowledge, good and evil. (when God told them not too). These disasters happen because of sin, but God sent his son to save us from our sins so that we can go to heaven if we obey and trust in Him. God loves us and doesn't want to see us suffer, that is why whenever we sin, God turns his head away and cries. He wants to get into your heart. He doesn't force His way through like Satan does, but He does it in love, so accept His love.

Satan used to be an angel correct? God made the angels correct? Why would he create an angel with the ability to commit such atrocities?

And as for the age of the Earth- Surely you can understand my reluctance to believe a young girl over nearly all geologists in the world, right?

 

[WhoreOfBabylon]

God is a Lie! True enlightenment is only possible by following the path of Lucifer. Let the Great Beast consume you wreached souls and feel true power! The god of Abraham is a wicked tyrant, only through Lucifer can your souls be free. Join Me. Mystery Babylon shall inherit Earth and reign FOREVER IN MY GLORY! PRAISE THE harlot!

 

[Boltwave]

Godlesscommunist,

As I see it, I think you should take some of my own questions into consideration: If God is disprovable by science, or, is a scientific improbability, then why hasn't anything shown up yet? Despite that Isaac Newton and Galileo were both scientific theists (Newton was the qwack that came up with caculus and along with Galileo is known for charting the solar system.) and they were considered of committing heresy against the church?

Also, the smartest and most well known scientists of our day believe in God, Stephen Hawkin, I believe, (unless I'm ignoratenly stating) believes in a supreme monotheistic universal deity.

The great "loop" theory is not consistent, because nothing in this universe is consistent, you never see anything in this world or anything observable, testable (science!) that has been and will go on forever, everything has a beginning, and everything as an end, remember also, Isaac Newton came up with the Law of Conservation, did it mean neccessarily that Newton was saying "God cannot exist, the universe has always existed"? No, and I even ask my science teacher some of these questions, the Law of Conservation speaks of closed systems, not open systems, but the universe isn't a closed system, it's very open! Cosmologists say that there are infinite numbers of other galaxies out there, and even when we make scientific advancements, also note that things get more complicated! As we advance to higher and further levels of understanding, we are ultimately stuck in our earthly playground, does this really imply that the universe has always "been" and it never needed a creator? Or perhaps, is it a modern day example of the story of the tower of Babylon? Think about it, "I will disprove God by using science even though science will wind me up where I started" a bit of a distorting puzzle just to figure out in a simple statement, isn't it?

By the way, I wouldn't really see as God having a specific "gender" but I think it's more right to call him a "He" because he represents a father like presence, being manifested into three different persons, I believe he is neither an "it" or a direct gender, just as confusing as the Trinity might seem, even again, Christians will tell you that's a mystery.

Finally, as much as atheists will attempt to tear down the bible, I, suprisignly myself, have been able to sift through it and I've found for myself it's not as "contradictory" as it seems, it takes allot of concentration and mental pondering, eventually, it will all come to make sense in the ending just like putting pieces of the puzzle together, sounds crazy? You'll never know unless you try it......

 

[Godsgurl08]

I do not yet believe in him, so that seems irrational to me.

Then you must also oppose every respectable biologist in the world, and if that is the case, there is no reason for me to argue with you, for you will simply dispute all that I say, based on unbacked arguements.

Didn't I say evolution? not the biologist

I feel that this is a bad place for me to try to explain this. I will accept any invitation to a formal debate however. You seem to be misunderstanding scientific principles that are key to the rational behind these ideas, but that misunderstanding is understandable, as they are not exactly easy subjects.

Satan used to be an angel correct? God made the angels correct? Why would he create an angel with the ability to commit such atrocities?

Every angel in heaven had a choice, infact God did try to get Lucifer to get rid of his jealousy of Jesus at the right hand throne, but Lucifer didn't so he caused troubel in heaven and was eventually kicked out

And as for the age of the Earth- Surely you can understand my reluctance to believe a young girl over nearly all geologists in the world, right?

you can believe what you want, you guys are criticizing and not listening to what other people have to say, so I for one will leave this forum. you said you wanted some answers to questions, not an argument. so it is pointless to argue with those who do not believe in my God. I've tried my best to tell them what is right and they do not want to hear so I will leave them alone. Just as Jesus left the Seducees and the Pharisees when alone. But when Jesus returns all eyes would see him, and in the end everyone would see there really was a God, but they can't change their ways because it is already too late.

"Father, forgive them for they know not what they do," ~Jesus~

"Love your enemies, even those that curse you, even those that decieve you, even those that hurt."

"Happy are those who do not listen to the wicked, who don't go where sinners go. They love the Lord's teachings and they think about those teachings day and night. They are strong like a tree planted by a river. The tree produces fruit in season and its leaves don't die. Everything they do will succeed. But wicked people rae not like that. They are lke chaff that the wind blows away. So the wicked will not escape God's punishment. Sinners will not worship with God's people. This is because the Lord takes care of his people, but the wicked will be destroyed," Psalms 1

I love my God and will forever serve Him, nothing will make me stop serving Him. Because I love Him, and He loves me.

 

[TheDreadedAtheist]

you can believe what you want, you guys are criticizing and not listening to what other people have to say, so I for one will leave this forum. you said you wanted some answers to questions, not an argument. so it is pointless to argue with those who do not believe in my God. I've tried my best to tell them what is right and they do not want to hear so I will leave them alone. Just as Jesus left the Seducees and the Pharisees when alone. But when Jesus returns all eyes would see him, and in the end everyone would see there really was a God, but they can't change their ways because it is already too late.

"Father, forgive them for they know not what they do," ~Jesus~

"Love your enemies, even those that curse you, even those that decieve you, even those that hurt."

"Happy are those who do not listen to the wicked, who don't go where sinners go. They love the Lord's teachings and they think about those teachings day and night. They are strong like a tree planted by a river. The tree produces fruit in season and its leaves don't die. Everything they do will succeed. But wicked people rae not like that. They are lke chaff that the wind blows away. So the wicked will not escape God's punishment. Sinners will not worship with God's people. This is because the Lord takes care of his people, but the wicked will be destroyed," Psalms 1

I love my God and will forever serve Him, nothing will make me stop serving Him. Because I love Him, and He loves me.

That is great!

I did not critisize anyones beliefs until my own were critisized by guyyoudoknowknow or whoever that was.

 

[WhoreOfBabylon]

I love my God and will forever serve Him, nothing will make me stop serving Him. Because I love Him, and He loves me.

Is this the same god that raped a virgin and let his son be crucified? The god that commited mass murder in the Great Flood? YOUR GOD IS DAMN HOTTT!

 

[Boltwave]

I find it interesting that you request that this be closed, yet you perpetuate the conversation. I also find it interesting that you say that I am insulting people, yet you do the same.

I do not define evil. Evil cannot be defined. I do define harmful however.

I like how you call me a cannibal also. As a believer in evolution, I also support taxonomy.
Here is the definition of cannibalism, as you obviously do not know it-

And since I am not a member of the species of anything that I eat, I am not cannibalistic. Even if you were right about me being a cannibal on those grounds, would it matter? The tangible aspect of the situation would not be changed.

Good day sir.

I "perpetuated" this conversation so I could get my voice out, obviously you can't type a suggestion by thinking it aloud in you're head, genius.

Let's go by steps shall we?

1) You do not define evil - So what on earth are you babbling about? Why do say you are "seeking" when all you're doing is asking questions and rejecting people's answers???? If God allows disaster and chaos doesn't that make for some form of evil to you, as you've stated? I have tried to give you a suggestion for you to simply to consider theologically, but I can see that by giving you that material you are just relentless to use this thread to your insulting advantage, so really there's no point in having it open.

2) Cannibalism - I didn't call you a "cannibal" as if to judge your character, nor was it anything personal on your behalf, please pay attention to the context of what I am saying and don't go through paraphrasing, I was furthering my examples as to whatever claims atheists make, they are no different than the claims of what Christians hold too, it's my own opinion I'd say they have a more rational perspective, but this all comes down to what you believe, an atheist says communion is cannibalism because Jesus tells his disciples "drink of my blood and eat of my flesh" while atheists are missing something entirely: common ancestory, whether you realize it or not, if you hold to the naturalistic world view then you yourself are defining you as a cannibal, savy? Yes, it's a perfect example, Darwin says animals and humans are "related" in a family tie which comes down to common ancestors, so, somewhere along the lines, you eating a ham could be defined as cannibalistic, not much different than saying the simple practice of bread and wine is cannibalism, so whether you accept it or not, it comes down to a theological, philosophical, and determination in terms of faith perspective, you aren't going to get any further than this, so don't try.

 

[ebia]

Bridge dweller more like.

 

[WhoreOfBabylon]

ROFL!!!!

The local heritic I assume?

AH, a godless communist! Your dedication to rationality, science, and commpassion scares me! argggg! My Evil can not be completed if your truely moral ideology is spread.

 

[TheDreadedAtheist]

I "perpetuated" this conversation so I could get my voice out, obviously you can't type a suggestion by thinking it aloud in you're head, genius.

Let's go by steps shall we?

1) You do not define evil - So what on earth are you babbling about? Why do say you are "seeking" when all you're doing is asking questions and rejecting people's answers???? If God allows disaster and chaos doesn't that make for some form of evil to you, as you've stated? I have tried to give you a suggestion for you to simply to consider theologically, but I can see that by giving you that material you are just relentless to use this thread to your insulting advantage, so really there's no point in having it open.

2) Cannibalism - I didn't call you a "cannibal" as if to judge your character, nor was it anything personal on your behalf, please pay attention to the context of what I am saying and don't go through paraphrasing, I was furthering my examples as to whatever claims atheists make, they are no different than the claims of what Christians hold too, it's my own opinion I'd say they have a more rational perspective, but this all comes down to what you believe, an atheist says communion is cannibalism because Jesus tells his disciples "drink of my blood and eat of my flesh" while atheists are missing something entirely: common ancestory, whether you realize it or not, if you hold to the naturalistic world view then you yourself are defining you as a cannibal, savy? Yes, it's a perfect example, Darwin says animals and humans are "related" in a family tie which comes down to common ancestors, so, somewhere along the lines, you eating a ham could be defined as cannibalistic, not much different than saying the simple practice of bread and wine is cannibalism, so whether you accept it or not, it comes down to a theological, philosophical, and determination in terms of faith perspective, you aren't going to get any further than this, so don't try.

Can we continue this via pm or in the debate forums? By staying here we are violating the rules.