My Proposal for alleviating United States Firearm issues

[98cwitr]

How many countries where they have taken guns away did not end up with losing other freedoms? The 2nd amendment is exactly that, to keep government in check.

And it was the militia that fought against the ruling government. You're right they did not intend it to be individual ownerships, but as a part of a trained group.

Quite inaccurate:

The History of Gun Rights in America: A Timeline of the 2nd Amendment

https://thefederalist.com/2018/11/29/second-amendment-always-individual-right/

District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia

That's why the second amendment specifically calls for a militia. It never was about individual gun ownership.

The 2nd amendments operative clause says "the people." The prefatory clause states that a militia is necessary to a free state.

 

[Desk trauma]

How many countries where they have taken guns away did not end up with losing other freedoms?

What other freedoms have the Australians lost in the 23 years since the tightening of their gun laws after the Port Arthur massacre?

 

[Paulos23]

Nope, this is not acceptable. Why do I need to lock up my guns when they are on my property? That's too restrictive. When you need a gun in seconds, is not the time to be fumbling with a lock.

Based on personal experience as well as friends, if you don't lock up your guns they tend to get used against you in a break in, are not always in a reachable place (seconds remember), and wee ones tend to play with them if they find them.

Having them locked away in a safe is safer. And there are safes that open quickly and can be hidden in plain sight. There are better options then just leaving a gun in every drawer in the house.

And there is nothing stopping you from wearing one on you while you are home....

 

[Ricky M]

Quite inaccurate:

The History of Gun Rights in America: A Timeline of the 2nd Amendment

https://thefederalist.com/2018/11/29/second-amendment-always-individual-right/

District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia





The 2nd amendments operative clause says "the people." The prefatory clause states that a militia is necessary to a free state.

And who makes up a militia , other than the people?

 

[Speedwell]

And who makes up a militia , other than the people?

So where is your militia? All I see are untrained, unorganized private citizen gun owners.

 

[98cwitr]

And who makes up a militia , other than the people?

Who makes up "the people", outside of a militia?

If we were still under the Articles of Confederation, and not the Constitution, you'd be absolutely right.

edit: to add

Patrick Henry argued against ratification of the Constitution by Virginia, in part because the Constitution permitted a standing army and gave the federal government some control over the militia.142 Henry objected to the lack of any clause forbidding disarmament of individual citizens; "the great object is that every man be armed .... Everyone who is able may have a gun."143 The Antifederalists believed that governmental tyranny was the primary evil against which the people had to defend in creating a new Constitution. To preserve individual rights against such tyranny, the Antifederalists argued for the addition of a Bill of Rights which included, among other rights, the right to keep and bear arms.144

https://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/89vand.pdf

 

[Belk]

Nope, this is not acceptable. Why do I need to lock up my guns when they are on my property? That's too restrictive. When you need a gun in seconds, is not the time to be fumbling with a lock.

Where do you live that you require access to your firearms at a moments notice?

 

[Veritas]

There is a huge push for more gun control, and the result is a huge push-back from the progun folks opposing more restrictions. As bipartisan support is gained for magazine bans and red flag laws, I think we are the precipice of something quite dire. So, as my words are most likely to fall on deaf ears (my representatives don't listen), I figured I'd at least share here to gauge how far off base I may be. Let me issue my own disclaimer that I am very much progun and want all law-abiding citizens to retain their inalienable right to keep and bear arms.

Proposal:

1. Institute a national licensing model. This model could be rolled into national identity systems, controlled by the states, such as state-issued ID cards; or even federally via SS. Either way, the following requirements to obtain and purchase a firearm, either from an FFL or privately would be as follows
a. Firearms proficiency class and training. You must know how to use a firearm and how to store it safely.
b. Criminal background check. No person convicted of a violent felony shall be allowed to own a firearm.

2. Safe storage law: When not being carried/bore by a person, all firearms must be kept in a locked and secured container. Such containers that would provide access-at-the-ready, but also reasonably deter theft or unauthorized access.

To accept such a proposal, I would demand the following:

1. Repeal the NFA of 1934, including the further provisions of 1986.

2. Repeal the GCA of 1968

3. Institute Constitutional Carry in all states and territories

4. Mandate that there shall never be a gun registry, and that possessing a firearm license in no way insinuates that you are actually a firearm owner.

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The above satisfies the intent, but to a greater degree, that ATF form 4473 seeks, but also ensures that theft, the leading cause of illegal firearm acquisition, is reasonably prevented. It ensures that, reasonably, only law-abiding citizens possess firearms.

1a is an infringement of a Constitutional right. Lots of women who are victims of DV don't have the time to fulfill such requirements in order to protect themselves and their children.
Data shows that even people who have never fired a gun before have successfully defended themselves with a gun. Yes, training is ideal but owning a firearm shouldn't be contingent upon it.
1b won't stop a single gun crime. Since when do criminals care about what the law says? You already have to pass a background check in most states to purchase a firearm or get a CCL. How well has that worked?

 

[98cwitr]

Where do you live that you require access to your firearms at a moments notice?

In any place that has local violent crime.

 

[98cwitr]

1a is an infringement of a Constitutional right. Lots of women who are victims of DV don't have the time to fulfill such requirements in order to protect themselves and their children.
Data shows that even people who have never fired a gun before have successfully defended themselves with a gun. Yes, training is ideal but owning a firearm shouldn't be contingent upon it.
1b won't stop a single gun crime. Since when do criminals care about what the law says? You already have to pass a background check in most states to purchase a firearm or get a CCL. How well has that worked?

Examine if you will; how do criminals come to possess firearms?

 

[Darkhorse]

Where do you live that you require access to your firearms at a moments notice?

Anywhere.

 

[Speedwell]

Examine if you will; how do criminals come to possess firearms?

Straw purchases, purchases from corrupt gun dealers; I believe those are the major categories.

 

[98cwitr]

Straw purchases, purchases from corrupt gun dealers; I believe those are the major categories.

Incorrect. It's theft:

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fshbopc0510.pdf

 

[Speedwell]

Incorrect. It's theft:

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fshbopc0510.pdf

OK. But here is another interesting link:

Trafficking & Straw Purchasing | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

 

[98cwitr]

OK. But here is another interesting link:

Trafficking & Straw Purchasing | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Hence my secured storage clause. It's a must. I've been a victim of home break-ins when I was younger; four total. As a result, 2 pistols and a shotgun ended up on the streets. Only one was ever recovered (after a drug bust 3 years later) to my knowledge. They were all unsecured and we did not own a safe. Every single gun owner should be responsible enough to own a safe and keep their guns secured, especially if you have children in the home. If you can't afford a safe, you might wanna consider that before buying a gun.

 

[Skreeper]

Anywhere.

I feel very sorry for you that you have to live in a country where death is around every corner.

I do hope you manage to flee to a more civilized place one day.

 

[Darkhorse]

I feel very sorry for you that you have to live in a country where death is around every corner.

I do hope you manage to flee to a more civilized place one day.

I did flee from a dangerous place (greater San Francisco) to a civilized place (rural California).

I now live in a wonderful area, and have lived in many others, but evil people are everywhere;
It's only a matter of numbers.

 

[Skreeper]

I did flee from a dangerous place (greater San Francisco) to a civilized place (rural California).

I now live in a wonderful area, and have lived in many others, but evil people are everywhere;
It's only a matter of numbers.

I'm glad to hear that. I also live in a wonderful area and not once in my life was there ever a situation where I would have wished for a gun.

Probably for the best anyway. The chance that I would use the gun on myself is much higher than I would use it to shoot someone else.

 

[Darkhorse]

I'm glad to hear that. I also live in a wonderful area and not once in my life was there ever a situation where I would have wished for a gun.

Probably for the best anyway. The chance that I would use the gun on myself is much higher than I would use it to shoot someone else.

Not having a gun sounds like a very wise decision for you.

And I sincerely hope that your safe life continues to be safe.

 

[renniks]

Basic safety and security.


That's why biometric gun safes exist.

Next you will agree that the government can tell you how to store the knives in your kitchen.