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My Proposal for alleviating United States Firearm issues

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by 98cwitr, Sep 16, 2019.

  1. 98cwitr

    98cwitr Lord forgive me Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    There is a huge push for more gun control, and the result is a huge push-back from the progun folks opposing more restrictions. As bipartisan support is gained for magazine bans and red flag laws, I think we are the precipice of something quite dire. So, as my words are most likely to fall on deaf ears (my representatives don't listen), I figured I'd at least share here to gauge how far off base I may be. Let me issue my own disclaimer that I am very much progun and want all law-abiding citizens to retain their inalienable right to keep and bear arms.

    Proposal:

    1. Institute a national licensing model. This model could be rolled into national identity systems, controlled by the states, such as state-issued ID cards; or even federally via SS. Either way, the following requirements to obtain and purchase a firearm, either from an FFL or privately would be as follows
    a. Firearms proficiency class and training. You must know how to use a firearm and how to store it safely.
    b. Criminal background check. No person convicted of a violent felony shall be allowed to own a firearm.

    2. Safe storage law: When not being carried/bore by a person, all firearms must be kept in a locked and secured container. Such containers that would provide access-at-the-ready, but also reasonably deter theft or unauthorized access.

    To accept such a proposal, I would demand the following:

    1. Repeal the NFA of 1934, including the further provisions of 1986.

    2. Repeal the GCA of 1968

    3. Institute Constitutional Carry in all states and territories

    4. Mandate that there shall never be a gun registry, and that possessing a firearm license in no way insinuates that you are actually a firearm owner.

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    The above satisfies the intent, but to a greater degree, that ATF form 4473 seeks, but also ensures that theft, the leading cause of illegal firearm acquisition, is reasonably prevented. It ensures that, reasonably, only law-abiding citizens possess firearms.
     
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  2. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    I think it has been shown that the more that government grows in control in almost any area (education, medicine, military, police, corporations, banking, etc etc etc)
    it is "babylon" // commerce system
    growing and taking control more and more and more ,
    to be summed up in extreme sin until finally "babylon is fallen" is fulfilled as written in Scripture.
     
  3. Darkhorse

    Darkhorse just horsing around

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    Looks good initially, but (as always) "the devil's in the details".

    Details must be watched carefully and constantly to prevent abuse.
     
  4. Paulos23

    Paulos23 Never tell me the odds!

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    I agree with most of that except for points 3 and 4.

    I would want a better gun registry than what we have now, and have it computerized and easy to switch ownership of a gun like with car ownership.

    I would require additional training for conseal carry, as well as open carry. If you are going to carry a weapon in public, you should at least get the training for threat assessment and when it is OK to pull your weapon.

    I would also add that states would have the right to flag a license for legal or new information and have th had license status available via internet so stores and private sales dont get caught unawares.
     
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  5. 98cwitr

    98cwitr Lord forgive me Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Registries lead to confiscation. My intent is that if you're licensed you can own zero guns or a hundred. The quantity is none of the government's business. YOU are the business, because without people guns do zero harm.
     
  6. Desk trauma

    Desk trauma Atheist Capitalist Supporter

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    Untrained civilians with small arms can overthrow the government but are helpless when said government comes to confiscate those small arms.
     
  7. 98cwitr

    98cwitr Lord forgive me Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Hence 1a
     
  8. Speedwell

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    An excellent proposal. However, it does not do enough to eliminate illegal gun ownership, about which I would make the following comment:

    I am a former resident of Chicagoland, I have been appalled by the number of gang-related shootings in that city. The police appear to be doing their job, but the courts are not. It is not unusual for the police to arrest a shooter and then have to arrest him again a few days later for another shooting. I believe that the record is three times in one week. I propose absolutely no bail for gun crimes and no pleading out of them.
     
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  9. 98cwitr

    98cwitr Lord forgive me Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Agreed, and outside the scope of this proposal I would heartily support much tougher penalties for violent crimes.
     
  10. Desk trauma

    Desk trauma Atheist Capitalist Supporter

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    Then a registry should be a non issue...
     
  11. 98cwitr

    98cwitr Lord forgive me Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Registry of people, not the people's property.
     
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  12. Desk trauma

    Desk trauma Atheist Capitalist Supporter

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    Why worry about their property being on record when that property gives them the super power to take on the most powerful military in existence?
     
  13. 98cwitr

    98cwitr Lord forgive me Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Doesn't give them even equal power to the military. It does though give them a fighting chance in the event the government attempts tyranny.
     
  14. OldWiseGuy

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    The best solution is to reform the entire criminal justice system by making rehabilitation and restitution part of adjudicating crime.
     
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  15. Desk trauma

    Desk trauma Atheist Capitalist Supporter

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    No, despite the popular american fantasy, it does not.

    An armed citizenry facing troops willing to fire upon them only means that the casualties will be higher for the military prior to the civilians (especially US civilians) being soundly routed.
     
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  16. Paulos23

    Paulos23 Never tell me the odds!

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    But there will be times that confiscation will be needed at the personal level, for crimes or actions. Just relying on the licenses alone will not be enough, IMO.

    But I agree with training, we definitely need more training for firearms in the country. It is because of training I am less concerned about th he guy with the conceal carry permit than the Yahoo walling down the street with body armor and a AR-15. You can tell who is easy with their weapon, has a better understanding of public perception and conflict avoidance.
     
  17. Speedwell

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    In any case, some pro-gun advocates in this forum have said that they realize that they have no real chance against government troops, but are concerned with protecting themselves against mob action by Liberals.
     
  18. Ricky M

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    Strangely, the DMV has never confiscated my car. But the state of California HAS confiscated my vote, so I can't entirely rule your thought out!
     
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  19. OldWiseGuy

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    All military personnel are sworn to uphold the Constitution. In the event of tyranny the military would likely be in disarray over the issue.
     
  20. Ricky M

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    But 98 does have a point, the second amendment was written by people who had just fought a shooting war against a government that had turned oppressive and unresponsive. It's hard to imagine that was not the scenario they had in mind while writing the amendment.
     
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