[serious];64527025 said:
Who killed them is exactly the question. If I went into a nursing home and injected elderly patients with a lethal dose of barbiturates to kill them peacefully in their sleep, the question the police and family would rightfully be asking is if I killed him. Trying to argue that it was not a horrific death does not mean that the murder was excused.
Yeah,.. i get what you are saying.
I guess my point (failed maybe as I tried) is that the question is this:
Either GOD takes breath out and you die so HE is responsible.
Or people die of all kinds of different ways (some more horrific) but it has nothing to do with GOD/god because there isn't any (in their own mind).
If atheist think that GOD doesn't exist then stop with the scripture.
But I think their (atheist) major problem (in general) is they have only (in many cases) seen 'church' and heard 'you are going to hell' etc...
So its a turn off.
They have been told to shut their minds off at the door, and submit.
Where I don't see that in scripture - and what family is like that?
My guess is many or most atheist cases, they actually started in the church, and really know lots of that world if you will.
Unfortunately we see this GOD/god of wrath but not grace.
They have never seen true power, but stories...sermons actually void of power.
So as Paul said, "your faith isn't based on words but power". 1 Corinthians 2:5
Folks that is the way it is supposed to be!
Really I can't reconcile every scripture - or even want to try.
But I've seen GOD do some amazing things and healing and miraculous that I couldn't deny it.
Seeing our family of drunks and fearful angry people into a life of peace, and understanding and hope.
Seeing GOD through JESUS as the very nature GOD.
And not worry about how this GOD talked and treated the Jews and others of old...or was alot of that their own idea of 'serving god'?
Just like the Jews acted, when JESUS came.
It was their mis-interpruted ideas of 'what GOD is supposed to look like', that they wanted HIM dead.
i know this much: How we act is a direct relation to what we believe is our GOD/god. Wrath or Grace or non-existant or around but not close, to very close (nigh unto us)..how you think makes how you are.
brothers not trying to highjack the thread - sorry about that.
not trying to bring hate and ignorance, but some agreement (if possible).
-eric