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The animal sacrifices were to cover sins
There are other reasons for sacrifice and offerings to be made.
You avoid the clear text of Isaiah 56:1-8 and the many other scriptures which tell of the new Temple and the ordinances kept in it.
Daniel 9:27 & 11:31, are proof - there must be sacrifices and offerings, for the AC to stop them.

People who deny these truths, are opposing Gods Word.

Going to live in all of the Holy Land is our Christian destiny. John sees us there in Revelation 7:9
The idea of an anytime rapture to heaven, is arrant stupidity; a fable never stated in the Bible.
 
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Daniel 9:27 & 11:31, are proof - there must be sacrifices and offerings, for the AC to stop them.
Yes, but temple animal sacrifices and offerings not by Christians. It will be the Jews (of Judaism) doing those.
 
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Yes, but temple animal sacrifices and offerings not by Christians. It will be the Jews (of Judaism) doing those.
Are you going to deny God what He requires of us? Ezekiel 40 to 46, plainly say how the New Temple will operate and why.

What does 'only a remnant of Israel -the Jews] will remain', mean to you? Many Prophesies tell of the virtual demise of the Jews.
God will select new Levites from the Christians, Isaiah 66:21
 
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Are you going to deny God what He requires of us? Ezekiel 40 to 46, plainly say how the New Temple will operate and why.

What does 'only a remnant of Israel -the Jews] will remain', mean to you? Many Prophesies tell of the virtual demise of the Jews.
God will select new Levites from the Christians, Isaiah 66:21
keras, the church is not Israel, nor a remnant of Israel.

I did a Google search for "animal sacrifices in Ezekiel 40-46" and got this AI overview response....

Ezekiel 40-46 describes detailed plans for a future temple where animal sacrifices will be offered, primarily for purification, worship, and as memorials to Christ's finished work, not for atonement, which is seen as a fulfillment in the Millennial Kingdom by many. These passages detail daily, Sabbath, New Moon, and festival sacrifices (burnt, sin, peace, grain), specific roles for priests (Zadokites), the prince, and the structure of the temple, including altars and boiling places, with interpretations varying from literal future fulfillment to symbolic representations of perfected worship in Christ's reign

....also, keras, that has nothing to do with the temple that the Antichrist will sit in after stopping the animal sacrifices started again by the Jews (of Judaism). That temple will be built by the Jews (of Judaism). They have websites, like the The Temple Institute of Jerusalem - Learn About the Temple Institute site that are dedicated for that temple to be built.
 
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the church is not Israel,
Christian believers are the overcomers for God; literally His Israelites Jewish people are not Israelites unless they accept Jesus.
The Church is Israel
Just as the Gentile Ruth, an ancestor of Israel's Messiah: Matthew 1:5-16, could say to the Israelite Naomi: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God. Ruth 1:16, so Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel. Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12-19, Galatians 3:29

That is: all genetic Jews in the church remain members of Judah or Benjamin, the tribes they were born into. Romans 11:1 And all genetic Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel and so will be assigned into its tribes, as per: Ezekiel 47:21-23, Isaiah 66:21 and as seen by John in Revelation 7:9

So: the entire church represents the 12 tribes of Israel. This is necessary, for all those in the church are saved by the New Covenant, which will be made only with the Israel of God. Hebrews 8:10

John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of believers who are Gentiles being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the "one fold" of the church. God knows who His people are, Amos 9:9, and every believer will be placed in the tribe suited to their abilities and characteristics. Revelation 7:9-14
Also, all those in the church, no matter whether they are ethnic Jews, Acts 22:3 or ethnic Gentiles, Romans 16:4b, have become spiritually-circumcised Israelites, if they have undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus. Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13

The books of James and Peter are addressed to the twelve tribes, which is the same as addressing people in the church, people with faith in Christ , James 1:3, that is: Christians, people who have been born again in Jesus and who anticipate His Return.

All those in the church, from every tribe, race, nation and language, are spiritually Abraham's seed, by their faith. Galatians 3:29 And Abraham's seed is Israel. Isaiah 41:8-10 So the entire church membership are Israelites of God. Galatians 6:16
This literally means we are the ‘Overcomers for God’, or ‘God’s Victorious people’. Seen in each of the seven Church’s of Revelation and in Isaiah 56:1-8

Not just the Jews in the church, but also the Gentiles in the church, are all spiritually Abraham's seed of promise as Isaac was and as Jesus is the one and only true Seed. And so the peoples of the church, Jews and those from every race, nation and language, every faithful believing Christian is an heir of all the as yet, unfulfilled promises made by God to Israel in all of the Bible: Romans 8:16-18, Ephesians 1:11-14

Zechariah 8:7-8 The Lord says: I am going to rescue My people from wherever they are in the world and I will bring them back into the holy Land, to Jerusalem. They will be My people and I shall be their God in truth and righteousness.

The Prophesies are clear; it is a people that God foreknew whom He will rescue, redeem, restore and forgive their sins and misdeeds. None other than the Northern tribes of the House of Israel, scattered among the nations and ‘lost’ to our knowledge, but not to God. Now; they are the bulk of the faithful Christian peoples.
 
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Christian believers are the overcomers for God; literally His Israelites Jewish people are not Israelites unless they accept Jesus.
The Church is Israel
Just as the Gentile Ruth, an ancestor of Israel's Messiah: Matthew 1:5-16, could say to the Israelite Naomi: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God. Ruth 1:16, so Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel. Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12-19, Galatians 3:29

That is: all genetic Jews in the church remain members of Judah or Benjamin, the tribes they were born into. Romans 11:1 And all genetic Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel and so will be assigned into its tribes, as per: Ezekiel 47:21-23, Isaiah 66:21 and as seen by John in Revelation 7:9

So: the entire church represents the 12 tribes of Israel. This is necessary, for all those in the church are saved by the New Covenant, which will be made only with the Israel of God. Hebrews 8:10

John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of believers who are Gentiles being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the "one fold" of the church. God knows who His people are, Amos 9:9, and every believer will be placed in the tribe suited to their abilities and characteristics. Revelation 7:9-14
Also, all those in the church, no matter whether they are ethnic Jews, Acts 22:3 or ethnic Gentiles, Romans 16:4b, have become spiritually-circumcised Israelites, if they have undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus. Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13

The books of James and Peter are addressed to the twelve tribes, which is the same as addressing people in the church, people with faith in Christ , James 1:3, that is: Christians, people who have been born again in Jesus and who anticipate His Return.

All those in the church, from every tribe, race, nation and language, are spiritually Abraham's seed, by their faith. Galatians 3:29 And Abraham's seed is Israel. Isaiah 41:8-10 So the entire church membership are Israelites of God. Galatians 6:16
This literally means we are the ‘Overcomers for God’, or ‘God’s Victorious people’. Seen in each of the seven Church’s of Revelation and in Isaiah 56:1-8

Not just the Jews in the church, but also the Gentiles in the church, are all spiritually Abraham's seed of promise as Isaac was and as Jesus is the one and only true Seed. And so the peoples of the church, Jews and those from every race, nation and language, every faithful believing Christian is an heir of all the as yet, unfulfilled promises made by God to Israel in all of the Bible: Romans 8:16-18, Ephesians 1:11-14

Zechariah 8:7-8 The Lord says: I am going to rescue My people from wherever they are in the world and I will bring them back into the holy Land, to Jerusalem. They will be My people and I shall be their God in truth and righteousness.

The Prophesies are clear; it is a people that God foreknew whom He will rescue, redeem, restore and forgive their sins and misdeeds. None other than the Northern tribes of the House of Israel, scattered among the nations and ‘lost’ to our knowledge, but not to God. Now; they are the bulk of the faithful Christian peoples.

The church is the collective group of believers in Christ, from all nations, kindreds, and tongues.

Differently, Israel is a nation made up of the descendants of the 12 sons of Jacob. (I copied and pasted this chart from an online source)


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Israel is a nation made up of the descendants of the 12 sons of Jacob
Not any more; genetic diffusion for 3000 years means every person alive today to has some of Abrahams genes.
In no way are the Israeli citizens pure descendants of Judah and Bejamin, plus a few of the other tribes, as you would like to think.

I have proved that the Christian Israelites are the one and only peoples of God. God will choose His priests from them- Isaiah 66:18b-21 Please acknowledge this truth.

Obviously, you disagree because the false 'rapture to heaven' belief requires the Jews to be on earth, while the Church does harp practice in heaven. It would be a good change for those who fall for such fables, to reconsider their beliefs before it is too late.
 
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In no way are the Israeli citizens pure descendants of Judah and Bejamin, plus a few of the other tribes, as you would like to think.
You are speaking about Israeli citizenship. I did a Google search on "Israel citizenship makeup" and got this AI response...

Israel's citizenship makeup is
predominantly Jewish (around 73-75%), with a significant minority of Arab citizens (about 20-21%) who are mostly Muslim, Christian, or Druze, plus other smaller groups, reflecting its identity as a Jewish state with a diverse population holding common Israeli citizenship. Citizenship is primarily acquired through the Law of Return (for Jews and their families) or naturalization, with distinct rights but different national identities often reported between Jewish and Arab citizens, notes Quora and Wikipedia
 
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You are speaking about Israeli citizenship.
People who call themselves Jews are Jewish by tradition, or by conversion.
Not one of them has any documented or DNA proof of descent from Judah.

Basically, the Jewish State of Israel is a fake, a construct dreamed up by Zionist and communists. They are in no way a people that God intends to save and redeem, just because they falsely claim to inherit ancient Israel.

In fact, the Israelis mostly do not make that claim, it is the idiotic rapture believing Christians who think they are.
What Christian groups that you know of that are practicing animal sacrifices like the red heifer ?
Please address the scripture: Isaiah 66:18b-21.
It is irrefutable - how the Lord will choose His Temple priests from the peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language; Revelation 5:9-10 confirms they are the Christian peoples.

The tiny group calling themselves the Temple Institute, are a joke, a fringe group without any government support. They and their goofy red heifers, will be gone when the Lord sends His fiery wrath. Zephaniah 1:18
 
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