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[Oseas]

Yes, as you above said, "the points fit only one power—the papacy." John the Apostle said:
1John 2:v.18-20:
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there MANY antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

The birthplace /cradle of Antichrist

1 John 2:v.19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Very interesting this revelation of the Apostle John of the primitive Church. Who is the Apostle John talking about or to whom is he referring in the verse above?

We know that the book of Revelation was showed to John around year 95 AD, i.e. 65 years after the ascension of JESUS to the third heaven. And we know also that there are two distinct Beasts described in Revelation 13:v. 1 to 18. Today, after about 2,000 years, we can and should discern both Beasts will lead two distinct satanic religious systems in near future, but one, the FIRST Man Beast, he already exists, the another has not yet, but he will manifest in near future.

In fact one already exists since ancient time, it has existed for about two thousand years, that is, the Beast of sea, a satanic religious system developed by Satan within the Roman Empire, after he had corrupted the church of Rome that was established by the Apostles Peter and Paul, both were killed by persecution, and thus was developed satanic Antichrist's movements through the corrupt church of Rome, the Catholic Church. Notice that Revelation describes 7 churches, and the church of Rome would be the eighth, but it was left out because the church of Rome was already completely disapproved by JESUS.

In fact, the church of Rome developed a systematic opposition against to the Churches of the Lord that preached the Gospel of God's Kingdom, preached firstly by the Lord JESUS Christ, and continued by the Apostles and disciples of the Lord, by the way, it is preached yet until today.

The satanic religious structures and organizations of the Roman Catholic Church within the Roman Empire, which rides upon the Beast of sea, the Pope, since the confuse election of the first Pope in the first century after Christ, who can be Linus or Clement, and for to increase the confuse election of whom really is the first Pope, the own Satan, the main leader of the blasphemer movement of Antichrist of the Roman Catholic Church, he himself, time after, from the late 2nd or early 3rd century the convention began of regarding Peter as the first pope. Its more a satanic blasphemy.

About the events above described, and the corruption of the Church of Rome, see what the Word of GOD reveals by the VISUAL testimony of Apostle John: 1 John 2:v.18-21

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that Antichrist shall come, even now are there many Antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19 They (the Church of Rome) went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

What we can say is that the woman, that is the Babylonian Roman Catholic Church, married to 266 Popes, currently Francis I is the Pope, she sits upon the scarlet colored Man Beast of sea, the Pope, the Papacy - from the Latin expression Pater Patrum - , full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns, reason by which the RCC is called Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth, which is drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.

THE PUNISHMENT OF THE ANCIENT AND CORRUPT CHURCH OF ROME FROM NOW ON - THE WORD IS GOD

Revelation 18:v. 1 to 5

1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
(The Word is God)

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[Chris Thomas Shepherd]

Oseas, I tend to agree with much of what you have proposed. However, when the true Antichrist makes his ascent onto the world political scene in the near future, he will use the Papacy through the Pope (the False Prophet) to woo the Catholic flock to his side.
This is my belief
Thanks for your well thought out opinion.

 

[Oseas]

Oseas, I tend to agree with much of what you have proposed. However, when the true Antichrist makes his ascent onto the world political scene in the near future, he will use the Papacy through the Pope (the False Prophet) to woo the Catholic flock to his side.
This is my belief
Thanks for your well thought out opinion.

Hi Chris Thomas
Greetings in Christ JESUS

I appreciated and enjoyed a lot you reply.

Yes, the main head of the Universal Antichrist, the false messiah (John 5:43-47 combined with 2 Thes.2:3-12, among other biblical references) "will use the Papacy through the Pope to woo the Catholic flock to his side" as you said correctly. But according Scriptures, I think it will not be through a politic way, but a religious. Reading Revelation 13:v.2, I understand that the false messiah , master of Torah and false prophet, will be enthroned in the great city of Jerusalém, and "to woo the Catholic flock to his side" he will give to the Pope his Power, and his Throne in Jerusalem, and great Authority-Rev.13:2. Then, once the Pope is sat on the Throne of false messiah in Jerusalem, "the court which is without the temple will be given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months-Revelation 11:v.2- that is the first half of the last week, week 70th Daniel 9:v.27.

It is as I understand and believe.
You are welcome.

 

[Douggg]

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[Douggg]

I understand that the false messiah , master of Torah and false prophet, will be enthroned in the great city of Jerusalém

I am confused by what you write. Are you claiming that the false messiah (the Antichrist) will also be the false prophet (of Revelation)?

Or are you claiming that the false messiah will also be a false prophet ?

 

[Chris Thomas Shepherd]

Hi Chris Thomas
Greetings in Christ JESUS

I appreciated and enjoyed a lot you reply.

Yes, the main head of the Universal Antichrist, the false messiah (John 5:43-47 combined with 2 Thes.2:3-12, among other biblical references) "will use the Papacy through the Pope to woo the Catholic flock to his side" as you said correctly. But according Scriptures, I think it will not be through a politic way, but a religious. Reading Revelation 13:v.2, I understand that the false messiah , master of Torah and false prophet, will be enthroned in the great city of Jerusalém, and "to woo the Catholic flock to his side" he will give to the Pope his Power, and his Throne in Jerusalem, and great Authority-Rev.13:2. Then, once the Pope is sat on the Throne of false messiah in Jerusalem, "the court which is without the temple will be given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months-Revelation 11:v.2- that is the first half of the last week, week 70th Daniel 9:v.27.

It is as I understand and believe.
You are welcome.

Interesting ideas Oseas.
My theory is that the Antichrist, who will be President of the USA, will send troops to Israel when they are threatened by Iran. Israel and the US will form a covenant when Iran achieves nuclear armaments. Jerusalem will be awash with American military.
The Antichrist will have the Pope attest that he is the second coming of the Messiah and will be anointed. The Antichrist will then visit Jerusalem to review his troops. While there, he will visit the site of Jesus's Sarcophagus in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, where he will defile the tomb and become the Desolation of Abomination.

 

[keras]

Interesting ideas Oseas.
My theory is that the Antichrist, who will be President of the USA, will send troops to Israel when they are threatened by Iran. Israel and the US will form a covenant when Iran achieves nuclear armaments. Jerusalem will be awash with American military.
The Antichrist will have the Pope attest that he is the second coming of the Messiah and will be anointed. The Antichrist will then visit Jerusalem to review his troops. While there, he will visit the site of Jesus's Sarcophagus in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, where he will defile the tomb and become the Desolation of Abomination.

Too bad that none of these wild speculations have any scriptural support.

The only supposed relic in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, is the marble slab where Jesus body was prepared for burial. A very unlikely belief.
Also the supposed place of His Crucifixion, again very unlikely.

Do you think the USA will perpetrate Zephaniah 14:1-2?

 

[Chris Thomas Shepherd]

Too bad that none of these wild speculations have any scriptural support.

The only supposed relic in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, is the marble slab where Jesus body was prepared for burial. A very unlikely belief.
Also the supposed place of His Crucifixion, again very unlikely.

Do you think the USA will perpetrate Zephaniah 14:1-2?

While I understand the 'wild speculation' comment, I don't find it particularly helpful.
I was replying to what Oseas was chatting about, which was 'the 2 Witnesses' from Revelation. I have done extensive research on the prophecies in Daniel and Revelation, and have written a book regarding the translation of these prophecies, under the influence of The Holy Spirit. If you want scriptural support, see my book 'The Trumpets ', there is plenty of scriptures in the books contents.

 

[Douggg]

Interesting ideas Oseas.
My theory is that the Antichrist, who will be President of the USA, will send troops to Israel when they are threatened by Iran. Israel and the US will form a covenant when Iran achieves nuclear armaments. Jerusalem will be awash with American military.
The Antichrist will have the Pope attest that he is the second coming of the Messiah and will be anointed. The Antichrist will then visit Jerusalem to review his troops. While there, he will visit the site of Jesus's Sarcophagus in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, where he will defile the tomb and become the Desolation of Abomination.

Chris, Iran, called Persia in Ezekiel 38:5 , will be one of the nations of the Gog/Magog coalition. Which, God destroys Gog's army, supernaturally. Then the 7 years of Daniel 9:27. Then Armageddon in Ezekiel 39:17-20.

So the premise of your book is flawed. Iran will be eliminated as being a part of the 7 years of the Antichrist person.

Gog/Magog - then the seven years - then Armageddon, Jesus's Return, all in Ezekiel 39.

The framework for the end times events are in Ezekiel 39. If you are going to write a book - the next one - fit it to Ezekiel 39. And the four stages of the Antichrist's person's path to his destruction - which I show on the chart below. The person will be coming out of the EU, not the United States.

 

[Chris Thomas Shepherd]

Doug,
I have the destruction of Gog (Iran/Iraq) in a short-lived nuclear interaction shortly after Armageddon near the end of the 7 years of the Antichrist.

 

[keras]

While I understand the 'wild speculation' comment, I don't find it particularly helpful.
I was replying to what Oseas was chatting about, which was 'the 2 Witnesses' from Revelation. I have done extensive research on the prophecies in Daniel and Revelation, and have written a book regarding the translation of these prophecies, under the influence of The Holy Spirit. If you want scriptural support, see my book 'The Trumpets ', there is plenty of scriptures in the books contents.

I have read the first 60 pages of The Trumpets.
I disagree with most of your premises;
A year is not 360 days, it is one orbit of the earth around the sun = 365.24 days.

The 2300 evenings and mornings prophesied in Daniel is 1150 days, which was the exact time from the desecration of the Temple by Antiochus 4, to when the Temple was re-dedicated by Judas Maccabeus.

You make the mistake of most Americans, of thinking you have a role to play in the end times. Not so: this will be the only thing you will do: Isaiah 18:7

What you say regarding the end times, does not have any Bible support. [Maybe later in your book?]

 

[Douggg]

Doug,
I have the destruction of Gog (Iran/Iraq) in a short-lived nuclear interaction shortly after Armageddon near the end of the 7 years of the Antichrist.

Chris, the Armageddon event and its feast is in Ezekiel 39:17-20.

17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.

In Revelation 19:17-18 is the same event at Jesus's Return, but is called the marriage supper of the Lamb, that God provides His Son, Jesus, returning to this earth with his bride - the previously raptured/resurrected glorified saints.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

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The destruction of Iran's military will have taken place 7 years earlier, as Iran will be part of the Gog/Magog event, in Ezekiel 38 and Ezekiel 39:1-6. The aftermath and burial of the dead is in Ezekiel 39:7-16.

The 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9-10 that follow Gog/Magog are the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 and the Antichrist person; half of which, a little more than, he will be as the beast.

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So you have the destruction of Iran's current military/nuclear muslim threat in the wrong place. It will be right before the 7 years, not at the end.

That event will essentially end the religion of Islam. As muslims have staked the validity of their religious beliefs on the destruction of Israel, claiming that their god Allah is against the Jewish nation of Israel. Gog/Magog when it happens will be an undeniable event.

One of the results of the Gog/Magog event is that it will facilitate the removal of the Dome of the Rock and the Al-aqsa Mosque from the temple mount - so that a Jewish temple can be built there - which the Antichrist person will eventually desecrate around three years into the 7 years.

 

[Chris Thomas Shepherd]

Chris, the Armageddon event and its feast is in Ezekiel 39:17-20.

17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.

In Revelation 19:17-18 is the same event at Jesus's Return, but is called the marriage supper of the Lamb, that God provides His Son, Jesus, returning to this earth with his bride - the previously raptured/resurrected glorified saints.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

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The destruction of Iran's military will have taken place 7 years earlier, as Iran will be part of the Gog/Magog event, in Ezekiel 38 and Ezekiel 39:1-6. The aftermath and burial of the dead is in Ezekiel 39:7-16.

The 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9-10 that follow Gog/Magog are the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 and the Antichrist person; half of which, a little more than, he will be as the beast.

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So you have the destruction of Iran's current military/nuclear muslim threat in the wrong place. It will be right before the 7 years, not at the end.

That event will essentially end the religion of Islam. As muslims have staked the validity of their religious beliefs on the destruction of Israel, claiming that their god Allah is against the Jewish nation of Israel. Gog/Magog when it happens will be an undeniable event.

One of the results of the Gog/Magog event is that it will facilitate the removal of the Dome of the Rock and the Al-aqsa Mosque from the temple mount - so that a Jewish temple can be built there - which the Antichrist person will eventually desecrate around three years into the 7 years.

The earthquake in Jerusalem at the end of the 2 Witnesses will destroy the two Mosques that you speak of.
I obviously have a different timeline than you do.

 

[Chris Thomas Shepherd]

The earthquake in Jerusalem at the end of the 2 Witnesses will destroy the two Mosques that you speak of.
I obviously have a different timeline than you do.

I did extensive calculations and have a full timeline of End time events at the end of my book.

 

[Chris Thomas Shepherd]

I have read the first 60 pages of The Trumpets.
I disagree with most of your premises;
A year is not 360 days, it is one orbit of the earth around the sun = 365.24 days.

The 2300 evenings and mornings prophesied in Daniel is 1150 days, which was the exact time from the desecration of the Temple by Antiochus 4, to when the Temple was re-dedicated by Judas Maccabeus.

You make the mistake of most Americans, of thinking you have a role to play in the end times. Not so: this will be the only thing you will do: Isaiah 18:7

What you say regarding the end times, does not have any Bible support. [Maybe later in your book?]

If you read the Bible there are many clear examples where each month is 30 days in order to match specific time frames (eg 42 months is 1260 days), therefore, a 12 month Holy year is 360 days.
I'm uncertain what math you are using to determine 2300 days and nights are 1150 day. Makes no sense to me.
I am sticking with what the Holy Spirit revealed to me, no matter how much you disagree.

 

[keras]

If you read the Bible there are many clear examples where each month is 30 days in order to match specific time frames (eg 42 months is 1260 days), therefore, a 12 month Holy year is 360 days.

Yes, our situation now is that the days, months and years don't match exactly. But that is Prophesied to change when the Lord shakes the heavens and the earth, on His great Day of wrath - the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.
So; trying to fit past events into the 360 day year, is a mistake and just makes for confusion.

2300 days and nights are 1150 day.

Don't you actually read Daniel 8:14? It says there will be 2300 evenings and mornings, not 'days'. Which is only 1150 actual days.

I am sticking with what the Holy Spirit revealed to me, no matter how much you disagree.

Your prerogative. I do the same!
The time will come when those who thought they were right, will be very embarrassed at their errors. Don't think I am denigrating you, as I too have made mistakes about what God has planned for our future. All we who teach will face severe Judgment. James 3:1

 

[Chris Thomas Shepherd]

Yes, our situation now is that the days, months and years don't match exactly. But that is Prophesied to change when the Lord shakes the heavens and the earth, on His great Day of wrath - the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.
So; trying to fit past events into the 360 day year, is a mistake and just makes for confusion.

Don't you actually read Daniel 8:14? It says there will be 2300 evenings and mornings, not 'days'. Which is only 1150 actual days.

Your prerogative. I do the same!
The time will come when those who thought they were right, will be very embarrassed at their errors. Don't think I am denigrating you, as I too have made mistakes about what God has planned for our future. All we who teach will face severe Judgment. James 3:1

When I read Daniel 8:14, I take it to mean both 2300 days and 2300 nights

 

[keras]

When I read Daniel 8:14, I take it to mean both 2300 days and 2300 nights

In other words- 4.600 24 hour periods?
No; both that idea and the belief that the 2300 means whole days, are wrong. The Bible clearly says they are a multiple of evenings and mornings. This makes it 1150 full days, which as I have pointed out, fits the period in 167 to 164 BC , when A4E desecrated the 2nd Temple. to it re-dedication.
It is then; fulfilled prophecy and people who attempt to squeeze 2300 days, or worse 2300 years into the future, are confused and wrong.

 

[Douggg]

When I read Daniel 8:14, I take it to mean both 2300 days and 2300 nights

What it means is a way of saying 2300 days. 2300 [morning lamb sacrifice and evening lamb sacrifice]

...because the requirement is 2 lambs a day. One in the morning and one in the evening - every day.




Exodus 29:
38 Now this is that which thou shalt offer upon the altar; two lambs of the first year day by day continually.

39 The one lamb thou shalt offer in the morning; and the other lamb thou shalt offer at even:


So you are right - 2300 days. 2300 days before Jesus returns, the daily sacrifice of the two lambs a day will begin again.

 

[Douggg]

The earthquake in Jerusalem at the end of the 2 Witnesses will destroy the two Mosques that you speak of.
I obviously have a different timeline than you do.

The Dome of the Rock and the mosque has to be gone long before the two witnesses are killed.... because the temple that will be built that John was told to measure in Revelation 11:1-2 (my drawing below) has the brazen altar where the two lambs/day sacrifices are burnt.

Beginning 2300 days before Jesus returns. I don't think we have enough information to say for certain how the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa mosque will be removed.